Salon 31 // Cee Moses, Niftorian & Dubwoman

Hello, hello, and welcome everyone to our Techspressionism virtual salon. I am your host and moderator Davonte Bradley, otherwise known as Davo, and with me is a slew of interesting artists and you know the people that are kind of helping to push this movement that we are part of forward. People like Colin Goldberg who coined the term Techspressionism, who will be speaking a little bit later. We also have see Moses, doing a presentation today. And we have two interesting art projects kind of tied to either individuals in our movement or, you know, started by people in our movement. That includes Niftorian, the Niftorian project, who Brett will be speaking a little bit later about that. And then an exhibition led by Giovanna, who's going to be talking about that. It's going on in New York.

Davonte Bradley

If you are just joining us for the first time today. Well, we're artists, for the most part, all of us, and the movement. I could probably say a little bit about that but you know I think it was recommended that Colin actually give this kind of brief flyover. I think it was recommended that Colin actually give this kind of brief flyover. So, if you want to give us a little bit of a brief overview of what we are and what we're about. So, if you're up for it Colin, you have the floor.

Davonte Bradley

Yeah, absolutely. So, so yeah, you know my name is Colin Goldberg and an artist, like most of you folks and you know Techspressionism, basically is a word I came up with or a term, since it's not in the dictionary at this point. About a decade ago, and it was to describe my own work. And then sort of fast forward to now. At some point during the pandemic I saw that in a Google News search some other artists had started to use the term to describe their work and bunch of us got together and started this thing, which you know I kind of like to think of as a social sculpture in the spirit of the artist Joseph boys, who was a German artist back in the 70s. And the idea behind that is that art can have an expanded definition. Which includes things like social structures or in this case social media, and can also be decentralized and distributed and participatory in the way that this is.

Davonte Bradley

And, you know, if people want to call it a movement, by all means I'm not going to argue with them. I still feel a little strange about that term, but, you know, I think that my personal goal is for Techspressionism to be a movement. And I think that's what we're trying to do. And so I think that's where we're trying to get this to be a term that's brought into common usage as a term of art historical nomenclature. That would be an extension of expressionist traditions.

Davonte Bradley

You know which started with figurative expressionism through abstract expressionism new expressionism. And, and here we are. So. So yeah, and our advisor for this project is a woman named Helen Harrison, who's been really instrumental in guiding the projects he's the director of the Pollock-Krasner House and Study Center in East Hampton, and is a top scholar on abstract expressionism specifically Jackson Pollock and she, she works in Jackson Pollock's old home and studio where he lived with his wife Lee Krasner and Krasner was also an abstract expressionist who helped create the Pollock-Krasner Foundation. So the definition of Techspressionism the working definition, Helen actually helped develop, which is an artistic approach in which the use of text as a means to express emotional experience.

Davonte Bradley

So, that's as a counterpoint to terms such as digital art or new media art, which only described the media involved not necessarily the artistic intent or any of the, you know, the content involved in the usage of the technology. And, yeah, that's about it for me. Thanks Dabo. You're welcome. See I could have given an explanation similar to that but I think you probably would have done it differently. I think you probably said it multiple times before so you kind of already have a committed memory. And in my case I've already been stumbling over words and they're like, Yeah, so it's kind of like this. Yeah.

Davonte Bradley

New art movement. Absolutely. All right. All that being said, welcome newcomers first timers to our salon. And we're going to get started here soon with see giving her presentation first. I do ask that you all. I do ask that you keep yourselves muted for the duration of said presentation. If you have any questions feel free to drop them in the chat, we will get to them shortly after the presentation is concluded. And you're also free to you know raise your hand if you have a question. After the end of the presentation.

Davonte Bradley

And, yeah, thank you for coming and see, I do believe you now have the floor. And I think you might be seen. Yike. That is also a thing that does happen here sometimes sometimes the Wi Fi does not behave and technical difficulties do happen. That's kind of regular thing. So in the we'll wait. Moments here she back. See are you in. Are you in the studio. I see her in my grid. She's in the grid but her webcam frozen. Yeah, I can jump in if you want.

Davonte Bradley

Yeah. Going to give it like one minute. Yeah, sure. Just. She's actually out so she might be trying to reconnect now. But, filler stuff. Thanksgiving is coming up. If you celebrate that. Food. Food is good. Food comas are great. If you don't actually celebrate Thanksgiving and treat is more like a, like a friend's giving or just a family get together because there are some objectionable things about the tradition of Thanksgiving that people might not be a fan of which completely understandable. That's, that's like a lot of things here in America. Very questionable.

Davonte Bradley

But I hope that you guys do have a good time at. Later. Part of this week. I know I will be. Enjoying a copious amount of food, and we'll probably pass out for two days here shortly thereafter. And doesn't look like see is back yet so I think I will go ahead and pass it off to Brett unless Colin did you have something you want sure. I just wanted to just do a quick intro up here she is. Oh, she back.

Davonte Bradley

I'm sorry. Sorry you guys this is like the wife I was working perfectly until you said you have the floor and then I'm just like, Did I drop the mic too hard it made the, made the Wi Fi drop way too hard. So, my apologies, I'm sorry. Awkward. Do you want me to go ahead and start or did you want to pass it. Okay. No, you go ahead and start. All right, cool. Let me

Just act like that didn't completely throw me for a loop. But, hello everyone. My, my name is Carmen Moses, I go by see Moses. I'm by as most people either call me Carmen or see. It's all good. So I'm going to pretend that I'm not a nervous wreck and I tried really hard not to plan because I don't know if you guys know but like when you plan it's just like, well what if I deviate from the plan so I'm just pretending that I'm talking to all of my friends. As a casual. Lunch chat so feel free to munch if you need to.

Carmen Moses

So, I guess I'll just kind of start. We're good to share screen yeah we do that. Oh no I need to open my system preferences. That's awesome. I just got a new computer to. Congrats. Thank you., Davo Do you want to pull up my website real quick. Yeah, I can do that it's still a great job just pat on the back for that.

Carmen Moses

Oh, well while that's happening. So just to give you a little bit about me, I'm from Augusta Georgia. I've actually lived in this area. Pretty much my entire life. Which probably explains my weird lack of accent. My family's originally from Puerto Rico so there's a whole lot of like Hispanic accent and southern accent so I think everything just kind of, you know, neutralized with me.

Carmen Moses

And if you're unfamiliar with the south, it's both hot and cold depending on the hour of the day. So I work at the Jesse Norman School of the Arts. You don't know just normal. They were famous opera singer from Augusta. I'm the performing arts director there and just one of the many resident artists were all artists here so it's kind of, it's kind of fun we're just a bunch of cookie art teachers.

Carmen Moses

But I started, I've been kind of artistic my whole life. I really got into it, my what I call the first round of college. So I went to Augusta University when it was probably some other name in 2005 and hadn't really kind of discovered my artistic voice yet. But then I kind of went back. Actually this is you're doing great double this exactly where we need to be. So this is just some of my like previous drawing stuff I was very much into drawing and coloring and kind of conceptual things.

Carmen Moses

And then, and some sort of saucy things as well as you can see. But then, after that, I've kind of gave up on art and was kind of lost and kind of didn't know what to do and then I ended up going back to Augusta University. Davo you were in college. Yeah, you can read my mind this is exactly where we needed to go you're amazing. I'm good at this.

Carmen Moses

If you just want to pause here for a second this is some of my college work and I had a just had a kind of a tough time I went back in 2015 and still kind of wasn't really sure what I wanted to do still thinking that I wanted to do drawing. And ended up taking photography and printmaking at the same time and something about those two subjects together clicked really hard for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, a lot of times so this like this piece in particular some pieces actually have live models that took pictures of and manipulated in Photoshop, but I ended up actually started off hating both photography and printmaking I told my professor that I was only in that class because it was a requirement. And then you know hundreds of dollars of camera equipment later I changed my mind a little. So, absolutely love both mediums and another thing that was sort of instrumental for me and kind of creating this.

Carmen Moses

This particular look was learning about Renaissance art I had an amazing history professor art history professor Michael Schwartz and he just made everything sound magical. To be perfectly honest. So I learned a lot about Renaissance are and was really inspired by that really inspired by religious subjects.

Carmen Moses

And also technology. Because I think I'm kind of in this weird generation that we know what it's like to not be able to do anything. We know what it's like to not have it but we also know what it's like to have it. So we remember the before four times. You know we were still writing on stone tablets and stuff. So, pretty Google Yes. You know we were doing geo cities and Angel Fire Backstreet Boys websites, you know, yeah, I'm down.

Carmen Moses

So, so I the kind of recurring theme of technology has always been kind of something in my head you know I'm big video gamer. I remember, like you know having the VHS tapes and all that and I remember about this time, I had someone who was younger was just like what's a VHS tape and I'm like holy crap.

Carmen Moses

That's, this is this is not feel good. Don't ever ask me that. So that's that all of those kind of influences and things like Afrofuturism and just kind of all these things I was exposed to really just kind of started coming together for me to create this particular series. Which originally was going to be Catholicism based but I started putting in some different religions and which I'm, I'm sure you guys can kind of see those influences.

Carmen Moses

But yeah, so that's this particular series these are all screen prints on paper. I absolutely adore screen printing I haven't been able to do it since I graduated, and I'm afraid I'll get pulled off a campus if I try to sneak in and screen print so I don't do that. But yeah, so. If you want to go to. Where's the menu.

Carmen Moses

I'm going to pretend I'm scrolling. I'm just kidding. I just want to feel like I was doing something. So if you want to go to. Actually, that's a good place we'll go we'll go to Skelly bots. So, I've started doing a lot of digital work. And I've kind of created these little characters. And this is my I've been working on too many serious things I need to do something fun for a couple of minutes, so usually these drawings take me about a day. But it stemmed from something that I did in college, these little kind of line of cuts and drawings.

Carmen Moses

So that's just kind of my fun little my fun little thing that I do actually have a new Christmas card I just created. So I'll have that up on the website soon it's on my on my Instagram, and the story behind this is. I have like a little backstory for these characters so I just think that they live in this post apocalyptic world where they come down to earth and they see a bunch of skeletons so they think that's what we look like. And they're just like, trying to figure out our really weird society and our weird customs like you know something as simple as putting a star on a tree like why would a human do that. So, this is just kind of my little my fun series. But, yeah, just, just for fun. And then, if you want to go to the digital gallery. I think.

Carmen Moses

So this is more of the digital Techspressionistes. I think. I think the most interesting kind of work, a few of these things are. So like, I'm pointing at it like you guys can see where I'm pointing. So like the TV. Mary is one. The, you know the. So this is based off of the other image, I just created a digital version of it just to play around colors and things.

Carmen Moses

Let's see what else do we have. And then just, I think the first one the top left is probably the first one. The first piece I did out of college sort of still exploring this idea of the, you know, the Virgin Mary and maternity and identity and all these sorts of things. And we can go back. Thank you Davo, I'll send your check in the mail. I appreciate you.

Carmen Moses

So if you want to go back up, I think. And then, we'll go to the photo gallery and then we'll go to the rest of the kind of Techspressionistes. So this is just some of my photography work, not necessarily too technical, a lot of these things were just kind of explorations which I have a few of our interns now are in college and they're just like, I don't have a body of work and I'm like, it's not going to happen until you're senior year, you're too busy trying things.

Carmen Moses

So if you go down to where it says photo manipulations this is where things kind of started to get really kooky with technology. This is probably the first one. This is probably one of my favorite pieces we had to do a self portrait and my photography class and I not really into the being, I'd rather be behind the camera than the front of it. And I kind of didn't like the look on my face so I was just like well why don't I turn myself into a TV head character. So this is kind of my ode to Frida Kahlo and my personal style.

Carmen Moses

But yeah, there's a lot of these sort of kind of manipulated photos. That's, that's my daughter. I said put on this skull mask. So mommy can make an A. And I did so whoo. Good job kiddo. And then this is another. Another one and I'm just now working on my website so that's everything still a little bit wonky.

Carmen Moses

I've never had a had a big girl website before so I'm still learning some things. Again, just kind of photo manipulation and thinking about technology is as you know a relic and all sorts of things. I don't know if there's any more after that. Think that's it. Yep, that's it. Cool. So if you want to just go to the homepage now, I think.

Carmen Moses

Appreciate you. So this is this particular body of work is really where things started to take off with the Techspressionism for me, and I kind of got involved with the movement I saw an artist call. And I hadn't really met anyone. Anyone else that did kind of, or was thinking along the same lines so when I saw that I was like, it's my people.

Carmen Moses

So, thank you for accepting me. It means a lot. Now all of this that you're seeing are things that I created on my phone, or on a tablet mostly on my phone. I find that a lot of the people that I hang out with that are artists we all tend to have something going on. Depression anxiety. ADD you name it. So I have depression I'm, you know, which is people think is strange because I'm always just like, you know, life of the party, or so I've been told, but I was kind of going through a really rough patch and kind of didn't know what to do and I would find myself just unable to do things and I was actually talking with a friend of mine about depression and how it's so funny what you can't do when you're in that state like things that you know how to do like tying your shoes. So, art became. I don't know.

Carmen Moses

It was kind of like an obsession and doing things on my phone and learning how to use these sort of digital drawing processes and programs. I kind of gave let me have my voice again. So I started creating these digital abstract works, which abstraction has always been kind of difficult for me but I found it really easy in the digital format. So, just really started playing around with line and drawing and manipulation and using. Things like filters. Using things you know the things that you are kind of automatic in these digital programs to just see what would happen you know so I like these pieces because thank you guys for all the compliments I'm seeing them in the chat and I'm like thank you but so each one of these pieces are used with you know using a drawing or manipulating in some way I really like the octopus too it's a fan favorite big Ursula fan so I like octopus or octopi octopi I think octopi okay octopi so and the thing that's kind of fun for fun about these pieces for me is that there's no way on god's green earth that I could do the same thing twice and that's where it's really fun for me because it's just like there's it doesn't matter you know if I went and redid the exact same thing I could do the exact same thing I could do the exact same thing from memory I would not come up with the same thing so and then this that one that you have up I just switched it I've switched the colors around and myself and Michael Price did a piece together which I was showing all my people that I'm like look a grown-up artist wants to show with me so I was really I was really proud of that and I appreciate the opportunity to do that but yeah and then they all have different that one yay you go Michael go Michael okay so I mean I'm not quite sure what else to say about these pieces I've used a lot of symmetry both just kind of the half and half symmetry and like her sort of radial symmetry seriously Davo you're on point like everything I'm saying you're like this piece is what she's talking about amazing if anyone else wants to hire Davo he's very affordable I am I have to shoot my own horn there yeah yes I kind of worked with kind of creating these sort of Android robots as well.

Carmen Moses

But I find that I'm having the most fun with the abstraction part and creating sort of like mandalas and different things. So I think that's that. I would like I would love for people to visit and give me feedback for sure. I tend to name these after they're done because I don't go in with any particular intention it's all feeling it's like okay well I feel like just doing this I just feel like doing a scribble okay now let's see what I can do with that scribble so there's never really an intention in or a conscious intention. Like I'm going to do something with a flower. It's never quite like that. So super fun.

Carmen Moses

And like this one ended up looking like a city. I hadn't, I don't even think I used anything city-like for that. Or maybe I did. I can't remember. But just a lot of the little things kind of end up cropping up while I'm doing, while I'm just playing with the filters and the lines and symmetry and all that. My main program that I'm using right now is Ibis Paint.

Carmen Moses

I've heard good things about other programs. I think that's just the one I landed on. So I use that one fairly proficiently. I also really like this piece on the top. Right. That was probably one of the first ones. And again, just using lines and filters and manipulations. And I was just like, okay, this is the process I can get into.

Carmen Moses

So this is probably one of my favorite pieces. If you look in my classroom, I have a bunch of like rainbow stuff too. So I like this sort of aesthetic. I've also played a little bit with video. So I think there's a link to my YouTube channel. So I've been playing with video a little bit. Mostly because when you have a program like Ibis Paint, I don't know if Procreate or any of the other ones do this, but they record your drawing process. So I like taking those videos and manipulating them further with video glitch software, just to kind of see what comes out of it. So I'm basically playing with video a little bit. Basically using the same process, but with video. I think that one's got sound on it. I don't know if you can play it or not.

Carmen Moses

Womp womp. Ah, there we go. So I usually find like just weird, like ambient, like creepy stuff, whatever matches the mood. I'm resisting the urge to dance right now. Just like trying to, trying to keep it chill. also if you guys have never heard of this bartholomew traubach guy he does the tree rings like where he's taking the tree rings and like using like a record player or something or something similar to create music it's absolutely insane so I love I love kind of using all of these things that I find and kind of collide them together.

Carmen Moses

And I don't know if there are any, I think there's that one we can watch just for fun, I suppose. So that's the new greeting card that I'm working on. And I just, I love these like playback features. So I like for people to see the process, especially my students, because I would have loved to have been able to see some of these processes when I was their age.

Carmen Moses

This one's pretty straightforward. So I'm just about to say the last thing. Art. I like drawing cartoons too. I grew up on cartoons and so did my daughter. So unfortunately we have the same sense of humor. So it's like a huge comedy all the time at my house, which sounds great. It's not, it's weird.

Carmen Moses

And then I think the last thing I want to show. I was on with the guy for a while. I got to check it in two hours to make sure it's prepared. It was one of the things you told me. What happened to my thing? This just stopped. How do I get it on the big screen? I missed virtual discussions. So I think the last thing I probably want to show again, like any feedback, if you guys visit my stuff, like I would love to, you know, hear whatever you got to say about it.

Carmen Moses

It helps boost my ego a little bit, but I think the last one I want to show is that video poem test. I started playing with poetry a little bit. Kind of just like this trippy kind of twilight zone. I'm half awake, half asleep. So I'd So I'd like to do a little bit more of this. I don't know that probably the strongest work that I have, but I've been enjoying the idea of manipulating video and adding a little bit of creative talent to it.

Carmen Moses

Still dramatic. So yeah, I'm just sort of weird video collages, kind of echoing and exploring, you know, my own thoughts. So there you go. Something really silly and something very dramatic. I always tell my students, I'm like, Shakespeare did that all the time. Put the funny stuff next to the dramatic stuff so that both would just be better. And that's how I try to justify my own sense of strange being. But I think that's really everything I wanted to show.

Carmen Moses

I appreciate you guys listening and feel free to take a look. If you got a couple of dollars, you want to support folks on Patreon, cool too. No, I'm kidding. But I just appreciate you guys listening and kind of being a part of this amazing Techspressionism movement. So I think that's all I want to really talk about.

Carmen Moses

All right. Thank you so much, C. And also glad to be of service, I guess. Oh, I appreciate you, Davo. Intuitive clicking, man. Just so good. It helps having lived on the internet for like 20 years at this point, I guess. Oh yeah, for sure. All right. Now, does anyone have any questions for C? Either feel free to drop them in the chat or raise your hand and I will get to you immediately.

Carmen Moses

Let's see. Oh, got praise. And Renata and Tommy and Caro and Malavika and Cynthia. Thank you guys for all the compliments. I'm just reading through them and I'm like, oh, thank you. Also, I apologize if you hear cats fighting in the background. They tolerate each other. And right now they're not tolerating each other so much. So apologies if you can hear that. That.

Carmen Moses

Tommy wants to know, are you editing the video with After Effects? So I do a couple of things with After Effects. I did my motion logo on my website on After Effects. What I have been using is anything that I can get mobile. So I have been using InShot and other things like that. Just things that, you know, I can kind of use in a sort of mobile fashion because I find that art's more accessible that way for me because if it's not driving somebody somewhere or going please put the props away what are you doing stop biting that person so there's always something going on and I find like those five minutes that I might be waiting on somebody to go into the grocery store that's you know time to myself that I could be working on something so mostly things like in shot I do use premiere pro and after effects for some things if I've got time to sit down and actually work on things so yeah that's it oh one thing that you said earlier about how you don't set out with any intention with your work that's me most of the time when I do my work too like that it's just things come to me but it's not that I necessarily have a plan going into it so I definitely can rest me with that oh yeah question from michael hi fran michael price Let me see.

Carmen Moses

Well, maybe a question, but also just some comments. So even though maybe, you know, I'll let C respond, but even though maybe she doesn't go in with intention, she's a very deep thinker and she feels things very deeply. And it was interesting as part of our collaborative process. I think we were both hesitant to step on each other's toes at times because I think we're both very sensitive that way. And it made for a very challenging collaborative process.

Carmen Moses

She freaked me out at the end when she changed the color palette on her two pieces to match mine because I changed my stuff to, I thought, compliment hers. Totally it was but once she did after she did it and she was cool with it then it's like okay you got to go with what you've got you know what you feel right so I appreciate the collaborative efforts that are being made as part of our community thank you Davo for getting that off the ground. And, and so for me, I see a lot of depth in C's work. And the thing that attracted me to want to collaborate with her was the spiritual quality of those Renaissance type pieces that drew me in when I first saw her work. And that's why I even approached her about, you know, doing the collaboration together. So I'm glad she wasn't too freaked out with me, you know, wanting to collaborate with her.

Carmen Moses

So it was a really cool process. So thank you, C. Oh, thank you, Michael. It was, it was fun. And I agree. We're both like, is that fine with you? Is it okay with you? So we were, I agree. We're both pretty sensitive, but. But who wouldn't want to collaborate with a great wizard? Right. Like that was my, like, I was like, wait, who's this guy? Yeah. I want to collaborate that but I did really appreciate the dialogue and the back and forth and the spiritual quality of your work as well so it was fun it's good.

Carmen Moses

And speaking of the collaboration project round three will begin eventually it may not actually start by the end of this year we will see because there's just a lot of stuff that's been going on in my life and man it's been a doozy but it will it will still definitely happen like I plan on making keeping these projects going for perpetuity until I can't do it anymore so there's that but unless anyone has other questions I think there was one in the chat was there interesting comment from tommy no I don't know if my microphone's working I was just wondering I'm sorry to jump in no it's all good I love the idea of you working everywhere and anywhere you know sort of in this post studio practice if you will do you think where you're working affects how you work and what you're thinking about because you know it's interesting to sort of consider you know here you're you know just jumping into your work it's very hard for me to like get into the mindset to sit down and do something you know so I'm fascinated to hear you talk about that experience a little bit if you don't mind oh I don't mind sure thank you so I think I think it just really depends I also do a lot of graphic work for the school so those things are usually you know my butts on fire I have to do it quickly so those are the things I tend to do like in the car just things that I don't have to think about too hard I so I was I was telling colin when we got in so my classroom also kind of doubles as a studio space for me so I think when I get a lot of these like the pieces that were on my website done I'm going to be doing those at home like when everybody else is in bed all the dogs are asleep they've stopped barking so I find that at night is when wherever I am at night I tend to sort of I find it to be a little bit more freer in the process but it just it honestly it depends on the day the time whether the sun's out who needs to jump into my classroom to grab something if mercury's on gatorade and mercury's and gatorade where it's all over but I find that I the process the most enjoyable when I'm just like at home in absolute silence and quiet I don't feel like I have to like put it down or stop or punctuate in any way I can just kind of go for hours and regret my lack of sleep in the morning I hope that answers your question totally totally absolutely thank you so much oh we have a question from Cynthia Beth Rubin you know so I just wanted to jump on that what I wrote in the comment about how you said you had you didn't start from a place of intentionality but clearly the intention comes as you go along and what you're just describing sounds like you really get into the flow for lack of you know a better expression how does that process do you feel a moment when you're okay now I know what I'm doing with this do you want to talk any more about the math oh sure so oh go ahead no it just sounds like there must be a magic moment when you go okay now I know what I'm doing with this I think so.

Carmen Moses

I think there is a magic moment. How would that unfold? That's such a great way to describe that is the magic moment. And as I'm working, you know, sometimes it'll start with, you know, like I said, just a scribble or a shape. And somewhere, and sometimes it's closer to the end, sometimes closer to the beginning, there is a moment that I'm like, oh, this reminds me of something or this is evoking a certain feeling or a certain. In my mind and a lot of the work I have I have the little ginkgo leaf symbol and that's for me something personally symbolic because you know it's just it's a fond memory that I have of you know walking across the campus and seeing all the ginkgo leaves and picking them up and thinking they're so beautiful and so they were pretty so if something that I'm doing or I'm in a place of nostalgia I'll find myself drawn towards certain symbolism but yeah there is definitely a moment where I'm just like oh well this seems like you know x y and z it's kind of hard to describe it but there is there's the aha somewhere in that process okay thank you thank you cynthia all right just gonna double check the chat one more time I don't see anything else does anyone have any other further questions gone once gone twice penny for your thoughts all right sold thank you so much for your time and your presentation I appreciate it thank you joel pleasure having you back again all right moving right along I think brett you have the floor and I think colin wants to give an introduction for you first or remembering that correctly yeah I just skojo actually just wrote me a couple things because he was going to actually introduce brett they had been working together they've been working together on this project neptorian so I'm just going to read what you have to say about that and then I'll let you go ahead and read the next one so I'm just going to ask you to take a few questions for just to make them more final as we go down you know do you have any other questions for your case as well or do you have any other questions for me here Niftorian, and he created one of the OWL Mint Passes along with some other Techspressionist artists, Michael Pierre Price and Skywater.

Carmen Moses

Skojo also designed the website for Niftorian and worked with an amazing artist, Matthew Curry, to create the OWL PFPs, which are profile pics, which are going to be available December 6th. And yeah, so with that, I'm going to introduce Brett Kinsella, who I met recently on the Zoom, through Skojo, and he's going to talk a little bit about Niftorian and let us know about that project. So passing the mic to Brett. Thanks, Colin.

Carmen Moses

So really excited to be here today, and I'm really excited to go after C, because first of all, she mentioned opera. My brother was a professional opera singer for a number of years, and it's always interesting to hear that come up from time to time. And, you know, I'm also excited to be here because... You know, I've known Skojo for about eight years. We've worked together on a number of corporate projects over the years, and this past summer, we were sitting down together. We hadn't caught up in a long time, and we started talking about NFTs.

Carmen Moses

And he was really interested in what it meant. I had become a collector. I didn't really consider myself an art collector in the past. I'd bought a few pieces, but it really wasn't... It was always somewhat random. I purchased it. I was at an art show, and I just liked something. But I'd actually become a collector of NFTs, and we both saw that there was something really significant going on here, and it was a different type of conversation about art than maybe we'd had three or four years ago. So the other thing I probably should point out is I come from a family that has a lot of art in it. My mother was an art teacher for many years. My aunt was also an art teacher, both for... 30 years.

Carmen Moses

And coming up in the 60s and 70s, when they were sort of early in their career, art teaching was essentially the only option that they had. Not that they didn't love it, because they both did, and they're both wonderful teachers, but they didn't really have a way to get their art out into the world. And that was an important thing for us to think about. And I wound up talking to... Skojo is obviously a working artist, and some other folks that I'd worked with. And I was... I went a different way. I wound up going into the tech industry. And see, by the way, the other thing I love is bots, because I'm really into the tech side of this. I'm very interested in generative art. But I also, for the last eight or nine years, I've worked in AI and bots. So we all have a very circuitous way that we go through life, but that's where I've spent a lot of time.

Carmen Moses

So I just love this idea that you had the Skelly bots. It was really fun for me. And I started working in tech back in the mid-90s, around the same time Skojo did, maybe a couple of years before him. And we'll call that Web 1, right? So Web 1, internet. And one of the things that I've done throughout my career is I've worked in tech, and I look at what it does from a transformation standpoint. I'm really interested in its impact on culture, on how consumers change behaviors, as well as the underlying technology.

Carmen Moses

And one of the things that occurred to me as I was thinking about this... And this is the construct of what we've seen over the last 25 years, is that Web 1 changed a lot of things, obviously, from a discovery distribution standpoint for lots of different folks and monetization. So if you're a retailer, you're a product seller, you're a publisher of some sort, internet really introduced a lot of new opportunities for you.

Carmen Moses

When I was looking back to it, I was talking to Skojo and some other artists about this, it didn't really change the art world that much. And this wasn't something that I'd really thought. I just assumed the internet changed everything. But essentially, there was a little bit on discovery. People were able to do websites, maybe a little easier, particularly after about 10 years into it when they became cheap enough so individuals could do that. I remember when we were working on websites back in the 90s, they cost a million dollars to deploy. I mean, it was just ridiculous.

Carmen Moses

You had to buy your own infrastructure. It's such a different world. So it helped a lot of folks. But I was looking back, and I was like, well... Well, it didn't really fundamentally change the structure of the art world. There were still collectors who then met artists through intermediaries, and it was largely the same. And maybe some people here have had different experiences. But I was looking at that, and I said, oh, geez, I've been through web too as well. And a lot of people know this was social media and connectivity and user-generated content. And that helped. Obviously, things like Instagram gave a little bit more discovery and distribution options. And yet, it didn't fundamentally change the structure of the art world. Yes, there were some direct-to-collector.

Carmen Moses

It did expand a little bit the collection. But again, just talking to folks and sort of looking at where we are, it didn't really change that. And it didn't necessarily make it easier to become an artist by profession. And so, so many artists supplement what they do by working in other areas. So that was another observation. And so, this is where... This is where Skojo and I wound up over the summer, saying, oh, well, this Web3 concept is very different. And so, I don't know if people here are familiar with Web3, but there's terms that you may have heard, like blockchain, decentralization, new spaces to engage. These fundamentally change discovery, distribution, and monetization, and for artists. And so, that's one of the things that occurred to both of us that was really, really significant.

Carmen Moses

And we started talking about what we could do about this, given both of our backgrounds. So, the other thing that became clear is he, as an artist, didn't really know how to take advantage of this space. And I knew a little bit because I'd been collecting. I saw what a lot of people were doing. Right? So, just knowing what other people are doing gives you the examples of, oh, here are some different things you can do beyond the art, because there's a lot of things beyond the art when you get into the NFT space. And so, before I go much further, I would be interested to know, if you guys know how to use the little hand-raising section, how many people here have actually launched an NFT?

Carmen Moses

You can either raise your hand or you can use a little hand-raise function. It's like, just get a sense. Okay. So, quite a few. Great. But quite a few not. All right. So, it's sort of mixed. And it's an interesting space because there's a lot of different things you can do. Right. And there's the new industry. There's intermediaries now that will allow you to sort of post on their site. But again, there's not like a resource out there or people necessarily to help you along. It's all word of mouth. Like, how do I take advantage of this space and really leverage the opportunity? So, this is where we started. And we started this idea of a project for artists. And we started this idea of a project for artists that was about art, that was also about community, and also about adding experience beyond the art.

Carmen Moses

And then this concept utility that you'll hear from. You'll hear. Now, I might use some terminology that you're familiar with. And that's great. If I use some terminology you're not familiar with, just ask a question in the chat. I know Davo will bring it up at the end. Because I'm really happy to do this. Even with people who are really experienced in this space, it's an evolving space. And so, the terminology actually changes. Every month. Right? There's like new terms that come in. And so, unless you're really paying attention to it very closely, it's easy to get sort of left behind. So, like, it's all a learning experiment right now, what's going on. And that way, it's very much like the rise of Internet One, Web One, the Internet. Because we're going from an analog world to a digital world.

Carmen Moses

We didn't have anything. We had to create new. Now, obviously, we need to create new artifacts. But we also needed to create new terminology. Just to really understand what was going on. So, okay. This is where we go. The Niftorian Project is an NFT project. Now, it is about art. But it's not just about art. It's about more than art.

Carmen Moses

So, we talk about it as an artist-centric and collector-friendly project designed to make the creation and collection of NFTs a team sport. And that comes from the recognition that many of the people who are most successful in this space are really taking advantage of the new opportunities. Are actually collaborating. So, it might be. It might be collaboration among artists. But oftentimes, it's collaboration with people who are not artists. Right? Who might be collectors, might have other skills in the space. Like, they might have the ability to do solidity development. Solidity is a programming language that's commonly used on the Ethereum blockchain. And that helps you write a contract that allows you to, for example, get a royalty every time that piece that you sold is resold. And I'll just say that this was the thing that blew me away.

Carmen Moses

A lot of people know who Beeple is. Particularly since he sold the Everydays for 69 million. That was the headline grabbing item. He'd actually done a couple projects at the end of 2020, which were also very significant. One of them, he sold a piece for $600,000. Great. You know, super opportunity. He admits freely that before NFTs, that would not have been an option for him. You know, he's been doing this for, I think, 15 years. Just developing these things and barely selling anything. He sold a piece for $600,000. Life-changing for him at the time and his family. Like, this was just a few months before the 69, but $600,000. That piece was sold a couple months later for $6 million.

Carmen Moses

Right? In the past, the collector would have gotten all that gain. He'd written into his contract a royalty of 10% any time it's resold. He got $600,000 again two months later. I mean, it's just, like, it's kind of mind-bending. It's like, what's going on here? But that's one of the things that I think, you know, Scojo and I were really talking about when we talked about a lot of artists.

Carmen Moses

These are some of the things you should be thinking about. It's not just about having a great collection. It's not just about having a great concept or great technique, great art. In this space, you also need to think about all these other variables that no one had to consider before. And there's new ideas coming out all the time. So that's one of the things that we started with. And the other thing that we heard from, you know, interestingly enough, from collectors is they want to meet more artists. They're really interested in the stories behind it, just like what C was able to share with us today. And the artists we talked to, and maybe it's different for the folks in this room, but we talked about all these different things about NFTs. And then at the end, they'd say, well, what's the thing that would be most important to you?

Carmen Moses

And they say, well, I would like to meet more collectors. Because typically, I would like to meet more collectors. And I would say, I don't really know the collectors, or I don't know very many of them. Certainly, I don't have like a relationship with them very often. And so he said, okay, all those things come together. And we have several different pieces that we said, okay, this is something that we can do, which will be meaningful.

Carmen Moses

So I'm going to tell you a little bit about utility now. And then we'll go into art. And then we'll just do Q&A, if that works for you. So utility, this is the whole idea that associated with a project, you can give people more than just that. You can give people more than just the art. So I think of this idea of Ars gratis artist, that absolutely is a thing. But in our project, we're layering on all these sort of benefits. And one of the very simple ones we did in the beginning was this new website called Niftorius.com.

Carmen Moses

So not to be confused with Niftorian. Niftorians, they're the denizens or the residents of Niftorius, if you think about it that way. So Niftorius.com is really, it's a news site. Because what we found was that Niftorius is a very popular site. And what we found was it's so important just to keep up with what's going on, whether it's what artists are doing, what the marketplaces are doing, because that actually defines in many ways a lot of the things you can do to go beyond just actually putting your art on display. So that's available. And then the other thing we've actually just quietly announced, we're actually going to start promoting it next week, so you guys can sort of get an early view on this, is we're doing what we call an NFT artist accelerator.

Carmen Moses

Now, you may not be familiar with accelerators. They're very common in the tech world. And so I'd drawn to my own experience there. But what they do is they basically take startup founders who are very early in their process, and they run them through, usually in this case, an 8 to 12-week program and teach them about finance and marketing and product development and all the things that you need to run a business beyond this core idea of what it is. And sometimes with that, they also find co-founders. And at the end of that, they have a demo day. And that demo day is they say, this is what we're going to build or this is what we've started building. And there are usually investors in the audience. And those investors then will sometimes invest in what they're doing because they believe in it, because they've heard the story and they understand what's going forward.

Carmen Moses

And so we were thinking about this. I said, geez, this would probably be really good for folks. They could go through. It's basically an educational process. You go through. You might have an idea to start with. Maybe you need to learn more about what the tech side is. How do the different marketplaces work? What does it mean to know what a smart contract is in this space?

Carmen Moses

What are some of the other things people are doing to add utility or other experience? And so we have a curriculum that we've laid out, which will go. It's not going to be as long. It's going to be probably five or six weeks. But there'll be a couple sessions a week which will bring people who are experts in the space who come in. We'll talk about these different topics. We're going to mentor folks in this space to get them to their first NFT. Okay. Project. Now, there's this demo day concept. And we thought that would be really fun. Now, normally you think about is the demo day would be the show, right? The art show. And we said, well, why don't we do something before that? Why don't we do something where they can meet some collectors and they can talk about what they're going to do for their project?

Carmen Moses

Maybe they show some early work, but they really want to talk about the entire concept. And that'll be a way for them to engage with the collectors up front. And then from there, you know, sometimes. They'll need maybe someone to help them with marketing or development or something else. Or they're looking for another artistic collaborator. That'd be a way for them to go through that recruitment process. And so that's one of the things we're really excited about. And then from there, then they move forward and we help them get to that product launch. And whether you've done an NFT project before or this is your first one, I think a lot of people that we've talked to have said, hey, we've been looking for this.

Carmen Moses

So that's one of the things that we want to do. If you're interested in this, I would recommend you go to Niftorian.com just to learn more. If you scroll down, it's like the third or fourth stripe down there. And we have an application process. And that's only because we don't have like unlimited space, unlimited mentors yet. So it's a rolling admission. So people just submit and say they're interested what their concept is. Then we get back to them and do a review. And then we'll try to accommodate as many people as possible. And then we'll try to accommodate as many people as possible in that process.

Carmen Moses

So really excited about that because really, we just want to facilitate this process of getting people to market. The only thing we're going to be hosting next year is a NFT 100 artist show. We believe to bring a lot of artists together. We'll help all of them meet more collectors. Right. So we're bringing the collectors together. We're going to create a larger crowd around that.

Carmen Moses

So that's something we're working on. We're going to do an NFT 100 show. We're going to do an NFT artist con or conference, which will provide some of that. Nice job, Dava. Which will provide some additional benefit for artists. And in that case, what we're going to do is day one, the artists will be in the audience. And we'll have some of this technical, more technical discussion on stage. So the artists can learn about the process and different technical aspects of how to run an NFT project. And then the next day, the artists are going to be on stage. And then the next day, the artists are going to be talking about what they're doing. And the collectors will be in the audience and the other folks. So that should be really fun. We have a bunch of other activities that we're going to add.

Carmen Moses

We've got this idea that this is a 10 year project for us. And so we've got a few things that we're rolling out, which actually is a lot just unto itself. And so we just wanted to say, let's just nail these things. But there's going to be a lot of other things which are going to be utilities or benefits for both artists and for the audience.

Carmen Moses

And for the audience. And for the collectors. So we've got a number of things for collectors as well, because I think that's really important for us to help develop this community of collectors who can then the artists will have access to and to get early feedback on some of the things that they're doing. So those are the functions, the sort of general outline. Now, I do, if I could, so you guys are seeing this is, these are the personal profile photos. And we'll talk a little bit about that. But actually, maybe I could share my screen. Let's see if I can do that.

Carmen Moses

Because I have another thing up here. Let me just walk you through a couple things I think will be really helpful. So Davo, can you see my screen? Okay. Yep. So there's this concept called mint passes. Don't really worry about that. That's basically just having a, an approved list or a special gift. You know, a special white list for people automatically can participate in a future activity.

Carmen Moses

But what we wanted to do in the beginning is because we care about art and artists as we said, hey, a lot of folks are just doing these mint passes and they just look like these little, you know, simple images that it's basically like a ticket to a concert. Right? They don't, they don't really put a lot of effort into it. And we said, oh, you know, why don't we do this to display a lot of different artistic styles?

Carmen Moses

And let's bring some people who have done maybe some NFT. Some people haven't done NFT. But they've done it through this process. And so we have this idea of this founders collection. So this is going to be an NFT mint that'll come up on the 6th. And each of those pieces actually has absolute value in their own right.

Carmen Moses

I'm going to be collected, be a collector of all of them once they go live. But then they also provide this white list access to what we're going to call some of the follow on offerings. And one of which is the personal profile photo. And what I thought I would do is just take a couple moments and take a look at what we've done. And then we'll go into Q&A to talk a little bit about this. So we have 14 artists who created the founders collection, the mint passes.

Carmen Moses

And Michael Pierre Price, thank you very much, is one of them. Skojo is as well. And Skywater from this community. And you can see we got a lot of different styles. We have generative. We have illustration. We even have one that was created in VR. And then we have one that's a video. And so just walk through a couple of these in a moment.

Carmen Moses

But before we do that, I'll say those are all going to lead to this profile picture piece as well. Now, the profile pictures are really big. So you'll see, I'm sure many of you have seen this. If you haven't been really paying attention to it, no big deal. But this idea that people are taking art. And replacing their social media icons, their profile photos with the art. And what this means is a lot of times it's different animals and things like that. Now, again, some of those are, there's a wide variation in the quality of the skill applied for those profile photos.

Carmen Moses

We, again, tried to air towards something where you could see the artist's hand. You could do some really interesting things. But one of the key things here is this is essentially a ticket to a community, particularly for collectors. So they're going to be part of the community. And one of the things you need to do is you need to have different attributes so they're all unique. So if you want 10,000 variants, you need to have these different types of attributes. And so in any event, we have this profile photo concept. We started with this idea of the owl. And there's a lot of different reasons for that, which I won't go into here. But really fun. You know what? Sometimes these things are just fun. I think about like skele-bots. It's just that art. It shows skill and shows great potential.

Carmen Moses

It's a great concept. But it's also fun. Right? And so that's what we're doing with this. We're also doing a bunch of memes. Betsy Schrock has been doing a lot of really interesting work on the meme front, which I think if you guys want to just go to Niftorian on Twitter or Instagram, you'll be able to see all of these.

Carmen Moses

So just to walk through a couple of the different pieces that we have. By JK5. Donna here. Matthew Curry. Matthew also did the mint pat or did the PFP. So those owls. And in each of these, the only instruction we gave and our request we made, Michael and Skywater can tell you, is we just said, hey, do an owl in a scene. Just in your style.

Carmen Moses

Let it just whatever you want. Because that's what we wanted to do. We wanted to see what people would come up with. This is Skojo's piece. Here's Skywater. Michael Pierre Price. This is a generative piece. And I think this, Michael, I think this was the first one that came in. And I was just blown away.

Carmen Moses

Because I think Skojo had only talked to you like a few days before. And then this came across. And like I recommend everybody when you just go to the if you go to Niftorian.com, there's a dropdown for all the artists. And so you can just select them. Look at this close up. There's some great stuff going on here. Really love it. This right here is a video. You can see the video on Niftorian.com as well. You see Mac.

Carmen Moses

Apparently he had several hundred cassettes laying around his studio based on a project he'd just done for Radiolab. And he started thinking about this. And he had that old reel to reel. And he said, oh, here's my owl. So this was really cool. So you can see the assembly of that owl as well. And actually for all the artists, if you go through and you click through to their page, we actually have some process pictures in there as well.

Carmen Moses

Here's Joe McKendry. Amanda Spade. He Han. You know, we're seeing, as you can see, there's a lot of different styles that represent here. Darko. Darko's done a number of NFTs out in the already. Gavin Farrell. This was his first. This was done entirely in VR. And this is also a video. So you can actually see this owl coming towards you. You see he's holding a snake, which is wrapped up like a Bitcoin symbol, which is kind of clever. And then Scott Leach, who's also done a number of NFTs. And he's in addition to being a working artist, he's also a game maker and he's a NFT product manager for a different chain. So he's like really deep in this space.

Carmen Moses

All right. So those are the things that I wanted to talk about. So I'm going to turn it over to Joe to share so that people could see that. And I think maybe this would be a good time to take questions. All right. And I think we did actually have a couple that were already coming in. I had an early one from Renata. She wants to know what is a DAO and how important are they today? Ah.

Carmen Moses

Decentralized autonomous organization. So that makes it more clear, doesn't it? If you want to use the actual words. So DAOs are very popular right now. So this idea that when you're in the blockchain, and particularly these are popular around different type of projects that use cryptocurrency. The question is who's in charge? And one of the big things I talked about earlier around Web3 is this idea of decentralization.

Carmen Moses

So no one centralized. Organization can control it. Right? So we talk about the centralized entities that we have today, like the big corporate media or Facebook. Right? These are all organizations that on their whim can make a decision that might impact you in your life. If we look at Web3 and decentralization, there's really no one person who can take down Bitcoin, for example, or Ethereum. These are two different blockchains that actually have currency associated with them. And that's one of the real fundamental aspects of it. That no one, there's no centralization. No one individual is in charge. And so what this leads to is basically collective activity if you need to get something done. And so that's where DAOs come in. They're essentially a collective of people who all own a certain kind of coin or potentially all own a certain type of NFT.

Carmen Moses

And therefore they can, as a group, decide what happens as opposed to any individual. That helps them move forward. But it's also no one individual can control it. Right? So think about that process of governance. Right? And so that's what a DAO is designed to do is to create a mechanism for governance. All right. So now that I've said all of that, it's not necessary. And in fact, I think in most cases it's not advisable. Most of the DAOs don't actually get anything done. They all struggle from this fact that there is no leader. A lot of times that's very helpful to have a leader.

Carmen Moses

And then also many of them don't really know how to actually create governance. So there's all these other things. But then there's also potential tax and securities issues that I think we should think about. And that's one of the things that we'll talk about in our accelerator, for example, is the tax and regulatory environment.

Carmen Moses

So I would say you can do a DAO if you want to. But you absolutely do not need to do a DAO. You can do it. And if you did want to do a DAO, I would just say you're adding a lot of complexity. You just need to be prepared for that. All right. Thank you for that. And speaking of the accelerator, somebody wants to know if the accelerator program is just online or in person.

Carmen Moses

It's going to be online only because I think that's the only way we're going to be able to reach everybody and get them together. If we can, we will try to arrange for an opportunity for people to meet in real life. But that's not a core part of the program right now. All right. And Lee's got a technical question for you. Okay.

Carmen Moses

He wants to know, I can't loop my videos as GIFs because they're too big. Would it be possible to cement an MP4 and have that loop? Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Well, there you go, Lee. There's a technical aspect there in terms of where it's hosted. All right. Whether it's on-chain or it's off-chain. But when you think about NFTs, there's two things that are going on there. One is just the record of ownership. And so this is obviously the first time that we've been able to say, oh, this person owns that digital asset. And if people are interested, I can actually go into this idea of why it's not just a JPEG in this space.

Carmen Moses

But we have this idea that somebody owns it. And then the other aspect is whether it is actually stored on-chain or not. And some NFTs are stored on the blockchain. So in that case, you do have some limitations. It's more difficult to have some of these large file sizes. But a lot of times what happens is the on-chain information just points to an off-chain environment. And there are some decentralized solutions for that. Like IPFS is a database essentially in the cloud that a lot of people use.

Carmen Moses

All right. Thank you for that question, Lee. We have a question from looks like Carbon. I see. So would you recommend the application for someone who literally does nothing about blockchain, NFT, crypto, etc.? Would you recommend that they apply? Absolutely. I mean, that's what it's designed for. It's designed for people like across the spectrum. We're going to provide a lot of fundamentals. And one of the reasons why we're doing that is we've had a bunch of conversations. Recently with people who have minted and they come with it. They say, listen, I did this, but I'm no expert. Now, there are some people who have done a lot in the space and maybe that's not going to be the best fit for them. But even people who have minted some things, usually they say, you know, I did this. I learned enough to get it on OpenSea or HEN or somewhere else.

Carmen Moses

But I really didn't think through all the things that I could do. And I don't know what's going on. And I will say is what's going on in terms of what other people are doing. And I will say that if you minted in January, February, March, May, like all those months were a little bit different. But what's going on now is even more different.

Carmen Moses

You know, someone had a question just the other day from someone about, well, what if I want to do physical art? You know, how do I how do I deal with that? Do I do? Do I not do an NFT? Do I just do the NFT? I can only do digital. And I say, you can do a lot of different things. You can have both. You can sell them separately. You can sell them together. You know, banks even had a project where after one year after they purchase it, they have the owner has a choice of either the digital NFT or the physical art. And whatever they choose, the other will be destroyed.

Carmen Moses

Which sort of sort of in his general MO anyway. But there's all these different types of things that you can do. So definitely, you know, anybody here in particular. You know, we're big fans of Techspressionism. You know, I am because I come from a tech background anyway. So I just like I like this anyway. But, you know, Skojo is a member. And so and we're we plan to do some things like Colin and I were talking about, you know, the 100 artists NFT show trying to get people from this community engaged and maybe actually setting aside slots for you so that like there's heavy representation here. So we want this to be for everyone.

Carmen Moses

All right. Thank you. So actually, there's a fair number of questions now coming in. We have a question from Sherry Karver. Is there anywhere to take a class on NFT 101? It sounds fascinating, but very complex. I like to learn the basics of how to create an NFT and how to post it. Yeah, absolutely. So and I will say that some people won't want to go through the accelerator right now. Because there's a little bit of a commitment there. You got to basically attend some sessions and things like that. But they'll still want to learn. And so we actually if you go to the Discord server, which you can access through neptorian.com, you guys can get in there. We've just started a channel over on the left. If you guys are familiar with this, if you're not familiar with Discord, please become familiar with Discord.

Carmen Moses

It is it is, I think, the most important social media platform for the next decade. We're all going to be on there if we're not already. And one of the reasons it's actually really good for these smaller communities organized. But we have we have a channel in there on the left hand side called NFT University. There's just a couple of things in there. But over the next couple of months, that will be heavily populated.

Carmen Moses

We're also going to be running in that Discord. If you guys are familiar with Clubhouse, a very similar type of thing you can do in Discord. We have stages and we're going to be interviewing folks who are going to be able to share their experience in this space. And so we're going to be doing that. So there'll be everything from sort of how to's to conversations. And the most important thing, though, is that through this community and some of the things that you've heard me talk about from a utility standpoint, we're really focused on this learn by doing aspect because we've all recognized.

Carmen Moses

Being part of this is it's very hard to understand what's going out without doing some of these things, because it's a very different mindset from what we've seen before from either a tech standpoint or an art standpoint. And so we'll have lots of programs there. So I definitely go into the Discord and look for that. And then on Niftorious.com, we have news up there now, but that's going to start to have a lot more educational material as well.

Carmen Moses

It's a great question. All right. And I realize we actually only have 30 minutes left. I know we need to get Giovanna stuff out. Try to get through these really quick. Try to highlight some of the bigger ones. So that one was actually kind of answered. I'm looking at them here. Let me just say a couple of them really quickly. So what chain does it use? The Niftorian Projects is on Ethereum. And one of the reasons that is because that is the most heavily used chain by a wide margin. There are some positives and negatives, but it is the central aspect of it. We do expect to support other chains going forward, but we're starting with Ethereum and we'll support some of the other chains. Yeah.

Carmen Moses

In terms of cross chain compatibility. We're the first place we're going to see that is if people don't know what this means is all these different block chains and you sort of you live on one but not on the other. It's like you have to make a choice. But there is this idea that entities will be portable across some of these chains at the very least. The first thing we're going to see is the ability to see your collection across chains. So Coinbase is going to do that. There's a couple other companies that have come up recently that are working on that. And then eventually we'll be able to actually transition them and maybe view them across chain. So there's definitely people who are working on that.

Carmen Moses

The environmental impact is a big one or a very common question. And a couple of things are happening right now. So I think, first of all, there is a... I can interject and maybe speak because there was an explanation that was given to me actually not too long ago at a conference that I was at because I was at FinTech Black this past week. And it was a really good comparison. And I actually looked into it and it kind of matched up. So the environment. So the environmental impact, it's not actually based off of the number of transactions on the blockchain. It has nothing to do with how much energy is being spent. The issue with using blockchains like Ethereum is the fact that the process of generating blocks is what actually uses energy. And that's at a set amount. So there's just going to be a set amount of energy produced to create these blocks.

Carmen Moses

And blocks are just essentially just additional parts of the blockchain. But using NFTs, what the issue is, is like you can imagine almost like a bus coming around every 15 seconds because that's about how quickly blocks are created. So you have a bus coming every 15 seconds. Bus is going to come regardless if there's anybody to get on. So the people getting on or the passengers, you can think of those as NFTs being written onto the blockchain. So regardless if there's people writing NFTs to that specific block. Yeah. The block is just going to go anywhere every 15 seconds. So you're not really contributing anything by creating NFTs, if that makes any sense. Yeah. You individually not. If we started having really high volumes, I mean, there's so much more going on in these blockchains than NFTs.

Carmen Moses

NFTs are certainly adding to it and maybe adding to some of these blocks a little bit, but not a lot. And so actually, one of the things you would actually look at, there's a really good article, some really good articles on this if everybody wants to follow up. I'm Brett at Creatorious.com. So Brett at Creatorious.com.

Carmen Moses

I'll type that in the chat. I can send you some things on it. But essentially, it's about the cost of a tweet. So nobody says, oh, we shouldn't tweet. Right. But like these transactions individually are really about that much. And the fact that like they're actually addressing the environmental health. Like they've been talking about.

Carmen Moses

Making going from. Going to proof of work. Correct. Going from proof of work to proof of stake, which is like a technical aspect. Essentially what they're doing is the Ethereum blockchain, the cost of running these blocks is probably going to go down by about 100 X next year. So that's obviously really significant.

Carmen Moses

And this is something we'll talk about in the discord. If you guys have any questions, just come in and hit me up. Actually. You can email me, but like, I don't even check my email that much anymore. I'm in discord all the time. Go to the discord. I'm Creatorious Rex in there in the discord. Cause everyone has their, their names for that.

Carmen Moses

And the, and just ask me there too, cause I'll be happy to talk about any of these things with you. Plus there's other folks in there who have other technical skills that I don't, that can answer those questions. But yeah, the price of gas is coming down. The price of transactions is, is coming down. However. This is not, that's like Ethereum and Bitcoin. There's a lot of other chains which are more centralized that you, so you give up some of that decentralization. They're a little bit more centralized, but it's much less costly. And so it's like thousands of a penny for every transaction.

Carmen Moses

Gas fees should be going down. Yeah. That's Tommy that, that is that I would expect they're really, they are high right now. But. But people are managing around it and that's one of the reasons actually we do the. The mint pass idea. So the founders collection is a much narrower distribution. You have to be on a white list so you can choose the time of day that you're going to purchase one of these pieces like Michael peer prices, for example. And so, you know, certain points of the day gas might be $30 or something like that. And gas, if you don't know what that is, it's a transaction fee that the miners on the blockchain of Ethereum charge all the, all the blockchains have. This. This transaction fee called gas. And then the other thing is, so if you have the mint pass, then you can get into the, you can also acquire the, the PFP, the owl.

Carmen Moses

And you can do that also at your leisure, you know, and you can pick a time when the gas is low. So we, that's one of the reasons why we put that mechanic in, but then it also just gave us that opportunity to really highlight what, what we think is some really great art. And I think got a bit of a twofer question from Colin and Lee, both. Is Niftorium a market like OpenSea? Or, and is it going to be curated?

Carmen Moses

Okay. So it's not an, it's not a marketplace like OpenSea and we're, our goal is to help people get on whatever marketplace makes the most sense for them. So we're really more facilitating that, in terms of curation, there will be some curation. So for example, obviously the. The accelerator that we talked about, we're going to select people who will be part of that because we can't just do everyone.

Carmen Moses

There's also going to be, the, the artist show. So it'd be some curation there and then people who are part of our community, we're going to help promote them. The, so there will be some curation, but we're trying to be curation light because we really want it to be a place for everybody. And in particular, there's a lot of folks who, you know, want to try something new. They, maybe they're new in their career, but it doesn't really matter that sometimes people want to try something new. And, and you should, we want to make, we want to make a space available for that. And the other thing, Lee, yes, it can be less than $30. I've, I've done transactions within the last couple of weeks at that. But it, it is, you have to know the times a day to do it. Most of the time it's somewhere between 80 and $180 per transaction.

Carmen Moses

Yep. But that's the part we expect to come down by hopefully a hundred X by the middle of next year, on Ethereum. But in any way, these are all things that we can talk about. In fact, some people who like, well, our project is on Ethereum because it's the one that it's the most accessible by everybody right now. We fully expect that some of the folks who go through our project or we, we facilitate their, their, their, their project or their education in this will go on Tezos or Solana or one of these other chains. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, gas is basically de minimis. Right.

Carmen Moses

It's just, when you go to those chains, you just have to be aware that there's not as many buyers. Correct. So if you've got a, if your collection isn't very large, that can be okay. But there's a lot of the Ethereum buyers won't go to the other chains. Mostly the people on the other chains will spend time in Ethereum from time to time. So that's where we start there with what we're doing. But what you are doing is a completely different decision based on what's best for your project. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. These have been actually really great questions. And, as Brett was saying this, a lot of these probably can be answered on the discord, which I provided the link for in the chat. So if you want to go ahead and join discord, go ahead and click the link that should takes you right.

Carmen Moses

Tick right over. And thank you so much for your time. Brett has been very informational and very valuable. I think for anybody that's actually tuning in later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We know you're just going to do that. So I'm going to say a few things to that. So the first one is to like, we're going to do a little bit of a cool new game and we're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game.

Carmen Moses

So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. So you're going to do a little bit of a fun new game. Then we'll, it'll be easier for you to sort of keep track of what we're doing. And definitely check out the website so you can see what we're doing. There's a lot going on there. And this, I would just say that this is really exciting. The thing that I come back to is, you know, we talk about this royalty thing where people can, you know, that the economics just are much better for artists than they have in the past. But my observation is that there are a thousand times more art collectors now than there were a year ago. And there's these people believe themselves to be art correctors. They didn't just buy art. They now believe themselves to be collectors. And so this is a space where it's looking for quality art.

Carmen Moses

Some people think there's a lot, there's too much art out there already. So many people, yeah, and there is a lot of garbage, but this is a place that actually is looking for quality art. People who actually have an interesting story to tell that want to do some interesting things. And we're here really just to help facilitate it. So this is a project that's Kojo and I signed up for, for the next 10 years. So. We hope we can be helpful to at least a few people here. All right. Well, thank you so much, Brett.

Carmen Moses

Thank you. All right. And with that, I think we can go ahead and move along to Giovanna and her project that she's working on or put together. So you're ready. You're ready for your presentation, Giovanna? Yes. I think I have to share my screen, right? Yep. Do I share my screen now? Yeah, we got to, we got pulled up or we can see it at least. Okay.

Carmen Moses

So let me talk about, it's actually started from crazy ideas. So a lot of time people, they ask me like, like, how did you get those crazy ideas? They won't call that art. They say crazy idea because it is a crazy ideas. I'm a big fan of a science fiction film. Also mythologies, religions, and it's like everything I put into my brand. So this is how my brands work, that I have a lot of data and information, like exactly like what you see, that's always occupying my brand.

Carmen Moses

So people, they ask me, how did you pull together? It's just like, I'm not an organized person, but I train myself. I'm not an organized person. And I use a lot of open source and data, of course, internet, that you can actually find a lot of interesting ideas. I, last year I done several VR projects. So this is like a 360 camera I use.

Carmen Moses

So that's like opposite side of Empire State Building. So I took some of the images from the Empire State Building, and I put them in the! So I took some of the images from the Empire State Building, and I put them in the I really like the culture, especially, I went to one of the Japanese bath in Japan.

Carmen Moses

Like they take the baths, like a public bath, and outdoor hot springs, and a lot of tourists that you can actually have this experiment. So I feel like this is so fascinating. So I got this really old image from Metropolitan Museum of Art, and everything is up there. So I, normally, when I do some manipulation for this type of NFT, I just do a lot of photo retouch and also extract the background.

Carmen Moses

Sometimes I use, I still leave it there, like if it looks like a vintage, those type of a style. And I collage with the different colors and the Poussin. And I collage with the different colors and the Poussin. So I'm trying to create new elements, especially a lot of time I use the color looks very different from the original.

Carmen Moses

Like this, well, I would say like Japanese bath is serious. I actually, I got a lot of commission. People, they send me the email. They say they, well, which I feel like they asked about like if I can lower the price. Of course, I like to lower the price because back to the general regard when I start to map my NFTs on OpenSea. I even gave away or I like really putting a really lower price. And then I realized even sometime if I gave away that people they don't kind of they don't want to list for sale or they don't contact me. So like they say, so I start to adjust the price that I have to put on price because I think that's kind of my challenge. That's more fair for those collector, especially for people like they like to flip. Like some NFT collector, they just want to flip for sell and they do want to see the money value for that.

Carmen Moses

So I start to add some money value on the NFT. So this is a Japanese bath and I also have several series collections. So this series is a trans Utopia series. So I also use a vintage image and of course, I already do some like a basic extract of background and some filter change the color. Like this series is also like, I have a lot of requests that people, they just want to see the money value. They just love it. Especially the way I put into all the color that is like a glitch. It's not like something you can see like everywhere. I personally, I really like glitch. I think that glitch, you can see like overlap and that's like a metaverse. Even I don't know that I've heard that word in the past, but I just learned it this year, metaverse. I feel like, oh, this is like metaverse. I feel like, oh, this is like metaverse.

Carmen Moses

Like my metaverse, my universe. So more like, like this is, you can see the left-hand side. This is like original image. So I do it like this one. And this like, so, I think in 10 minutes, because I just amended and laid on OpenSea. And then I got this email, like, so like, congratulations, which I feel like, I still feel like, I still feel like this is like the best way to make art. So I think that if you really have some good idea and a good creation that people, they will buy it no matter how, and they just make the decision so quickly because they afraid people will take these art away that they don't own it. So this is always, I tell people like, of course, the number one thing is you have to just have your original idea and you have to make people, they love your art.

Carmen Moses

So this is a doodle. I'm not like a professional illustrationist, and I, but some occasionally I really like to draw since I was in the age there. So this series is called Add and Unique. I have some of my doodle because I'm big fan of, you know, I'm a big fan of Maroon 5, that the lead singer, his name is Adam Levin. So I just use his face. So think about this unicorn. So you can tell that this is like a hipster and there's a light. So I have these, this character, I portray these, the Adam Union, it's Adam and the unicorn. So this is my doodle and I Photoshop into one of the collections.

Carmen Moses

So I done with this idea. And then how do I put the idea into the business? I call this a business because I actually, I really just focus on NFTs. So I don't want to proceed my formal company. I closed one VR, AR company early this February, and I started to create NFTs. So how did I start my journey?

Carmen Moses

It was like back to the end of the January when one of my friend, he's also my collector. He actually, he collects several of my final paintings. And he just say to me that, Oh, Giovanna, why don't you tokenize your art and make some NFT? And I said, what? Like tokenize my art, NFT? Yeah, I have some basic knowledge about blockchain and NFT. And for me, it's still more like, like some idea or I have a little bit knowledge, very like, like I'm really young and like, like three years old when I tokenized my art. So he gave me some idea that was like, Una Notte Annapoli. So that's like Italian pop love song.

Carmen Moses

It's about an angel has a romance with a girls in the, on the earth that, that they, they fall, you know, in love and somehow the angel is an angel without the wings and the, he back to the, the, the, the heaven and the, the, the girls is just start to think about this romance and all of these crazy elements that somehow I made it that I, I, I put all these elements together. So I made my first NFT. And also before that, actually, I already made calling and the Davanti last year. So the take pressure needs the ends, the Instagram and a website. So everything just come together.

Carmen Moses

So in the past that I'm self-made entrepreneur, I'm MWB minority women on business certified by New York city. So I also, I used to run interior design company in Taiwan. And I have an interior design for an ironic business and design the one of the project, the biggest project is a restaurant. And I also designed some residential.

Carmen Moses

So I decided back to New York about 11 years ago. So I also, I'm, I started from scratch. So I learned everything again and somehow I made it. I also, I have a web design company, but that was the one that I got an MWB company. That was VBE. I closed that company, but I ran the company for five years. I built a lot of websites already.

Carmen Moses

So this year I just totally back to like a creator and artists like in my past. I always Curate art shows, but I'd done several abstract pending, but I really didn't focus my own art. And this year it just all of a sudden I have all these ideas and all this ideas that all these artists used in new the old stuff and the new stuff and the new technology that back to my brain again. So I started to create this series.

Carmen Moses

So I have these trans utopia wonders. This is also like my favorite glitch style, overlap and uses a lot of color that I feel like. It's not like a usual, like an ordinary color people like to use, but somehow I just put in my own way. So this is an exhibition and shows I done in the past. I was really early back to 2013 that I curate Bushway Open Studios. And the first day I got like a 500 visitors, all the art lovers, they went to Bushway, which it was like, Bushway it was like, it's still like a desert back to 2013.

Carmen Moses

And I got a space also, it was like a sponsor from one of the investor. He lived in Bushway. It wasn't like just like a LinkedIn post that I post say, oh, I like to do a show. Like I want to have an art space. And he just replied me and DM me. He said, oh, I got art space. And he owns a space. He owns several art buildings in Bushway. You know, he just say to me, you're welcome to use some space. It's just the same thing. Like when I got this space from Williamsburg hotel, it just like, if you want to do something and you have your passion and I'm always enthusiastic in art, like the people they support me, like from all over the place, like I feel, I still feel so grateful because I have a lot of support, and I'm only like a middle class. And I don't have a really good background or resource, but somehow like, because I have a passion and a lot of people like to help me.

Carmen Moses

So I have art shows and I also, I'm co-organized Highline Chelsea Open Studios last year. We will do it next year. I also have several ideas. I have a lot of ideas. And I'm going to put together, I'm going to Art Basel. So if you happen in Miami, you also can see my art in nft.best and also the satellite shows.

Carmen Moses

And of course you all know that we have upcoming art event that you can mingle and it's a holiday art event, and you can mingle people in Williamsburg hotel. And it's, I really, I hope that all the take president needs and all the artists, you can share these message to your friends and family. Yeah. I want to make all the people go to Williamsburg hotel on December 16th to see all the take president meetings artworks.

Carmen Moses

So talk about curations. Okay. We done this. Because I also want to announce that, I have these new project that I want to develop for 2022. That's called Express the O-Rent, left Paris metaverse. If you see these, the slide, you can see that this is like the ongoing curation. The idea is O-Rent Express is express trend. Well, that's not like a high tech in the past. It was a light, it started from Paris. And the last stop is Istanbul. So when you take these express trend, you can go to the whole Europe. And a lot of movies are novels that is based on these express trends. So my ideas came from these Express the O-Rent. So I go, I want to collaborate and make these metaverse. That people, they can use a mobile phone, like argument reality, virtual reality, even a lot of galleries and all these space or anywhere in your mobile phone, you can participate.

Carmen Moses

That's all these ideas. So I like to coordinate with tech for Tunisia. And actually I already found some European resource that I have a friend. He just opened a new gallery. He has a gallery in Turkey, Istanbul, which I think is so interesting because Express the O-Rent is actually the last stop is Istanbul.

Carmen Moses

So somehow I just have a new friend and he has a gallery in Istanbul. And he say, he definitely, he want to look into it. And this is also like an open project that I want to have more artists that we can collaborate and participate. So talk about this is the Una Notte Annapoli. This is the very first one I saw on OpenSea.

Carmen Moses

And I still have a video that I put it on sale. And which a lot of people ask me, like how do I get involved and how do I have this idea? I think I already, as I mentioned earlier, it was like from my collector's idea. I thought he's the one who brought it. Actually, he's not. Because it was like a commission work and I made it for him. And before he make the purchase, someone just brought it and we feel so surprised. I believe this very first collector is from Clubhouse because the day before when I dropped my NFT, this very first NFT, I want to make an announcement. I went to one of the Clubhouse room and I, the host, he's like a crypto investor. So when he asked me like, what type of work did you do? I just say, oh, I'm an NFT artist. He said, oh, you know what? I want to look some your work.

Carmen Moses

So he's the only person I send the link. It probably, I, which I think probably either he's the collector or someone in that room is a collector because no one knows that. And it was like, it was like a back to the January really early. So I want to talk about a little bit about the Transultopia because this series is a kind of a booming that I have a collider. I still have some commission, I like to also open the collaboration if any artists in this room like to do it with me because right now these days really like I have like already multi-task that I had to do it more and unfortunately we only have a 24 hours per day. I couldn't do it myself.

Carmen Moses

So my trans utopia, so a lot of people know what is a trans and a lot of people know what is a utopia but my trans utopia is it like I'm more specific because I really like trends like eda electronic music and I also like the idea of utopia a lot of time the people they talk about dystopia or a lot of our like a crypto cyberpunk or like people. We think about the future as all broken and everyone is falling apart.

Carmen Moses

We see the monster and aliens, they occupy the earth. But I think about trans-utopia that we still have different dimensions we can live in. And the other thing is I have a lot of black humor. Well, sometimes if you like my humor, you can take that humor. But if you don't like it, you're going to hate it. So this NFT I already sold. Also, I sold immediately back to February. So this is before the Valentine's Day. I kind of like anti-Valentine's Day. So I have this piece, which I feel like kind of disturbing because this is also open source from Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Carmen Moses

I use angels because I'm always curious about angels because angel is in between. It's a kind of a species in between. Oh, by the way, I don't have a religious. So if I make any offensive statement, please forgive me because I have a very low sense about religion. But it just I feel like it's just interesting about like why angel want to kill this couple. And this is like Adam and Eve. So that's like the like the origin of a human. So I made these the this is a Mac. It's a based on, of course, you know, these Apple is a logo. But it was like my original drawing. So I just cracked it. It is Apple. And I put these like so I titled these an app called Partnering a Partnering Crime, which I saw these were everywhere like tenders or the other dating app.

Carmen Moses

I make fun of these. Of course. These are these are very I which I think is interesting. So why do we have humans that like the angel want to kill them? So this isn't like my black humor. So I research a lot of human history and like also like those ancient like ancient war and sign and a lot of science. My style is like you see like surrealism and I, of course, I call myself take precision lesion. This is a new genre, right? So we that's why we have we can meet together.

Carmen Moses

So I also developed the other transomination. It's more like a geometric metric mathematic so I use all the cube and some part partial of these are like an AI generated r and I must manipulate with the colors image and some of course some filter and special effects so this is a great thanks to and spexler that I joined NETiNOW curation. So we all know that it was a feature by Artnet.

Carmen Moses

And so I also joined several Metaverse curation. So I got more exposure. So if you want to see, you can see the, this is the metamuseums.io. My friend Vera and Daniel Millenial, they're the founder and co-founder of this metamuseum.io. So they still have a lot of Metaverse project that I can coordinate next year.

Carmen Moses

So yeah, I tried to do it, like save more time that we can have a Q&A. And this is my contact. And I really like to talk about ExpressDORAN, this project and Metaverse. Of course, I want to do more curation for Take Creation Easy next year. Yeah, thank you. So now we can have a question that if, open to ask any question if you want.

Carmen Moses

Oh, thank you so much, Giovanna. I haven't checked the message because I was, I was a little busy just doing my presentation. Oh no, you're fine, you're fine. Looks like I don't see any questions in the chat. Just a couple of comments. Some praise. And yeah, does anyone have any questions for Giovanna?

Carmen Moses

Off the top of their head? No. I just want to say, I'm a little busy. I just wanted to say really quickly, is there anything that you should, that you'd want to say to people who are interested in still submitting work? I appreciate that, you know, you organize this thing so quickly, the pop-up and set up the Google sheet and everything else like that. I just want to make sure it's as easy for you as possible. Like if people want to bring, if they're in the New York area, for instance, the Metro area, want to bring a small piece, should they show up a little ahead of time? And like they would be hanging their own work or is there anything that you want to, you know, to let people know as far as what to do or what not to do, you know, regarding the, that pop-up show. And I'm going to leave that link up, you know, through, I guess the end of the day tomorrow, it's at Techspressionism.com slash Brooklyn.

Carmen Moses

There's a link to the Google sheet where people could, you know, add a link to their minted NFT or their contact info. And then after that, that'll be removed. But I will leave the Eventbrite link up for people who want to just attend. But again, you know, thank you. For those who want to showcase the physical art, the only thing I can suggest, if you have a time, you can just make a trip to Brooklyn, that Williamsburg Hotel yourself. Or there's alternative way that if you have a small, small paintings that I'll say, you know, like, you know, I think the biggest maybe, you know, so that's easier. But I can put on the table, like they have a separate, like a lounge and like a sofa area.

Carmen Moses

And also I can, I can just bring something that you, I can hand it on the wall, but I think it's easier because if you do it like a, like a large print or photograph or any paintings, like you can put on the table and then you can put on the wall. And the other thing is because that'll be a busy day. That's a holiday and the people will mingle. Like if you have a, like a large piece of art that, that'll be a little bit hard to do the installation.

Carmen Moses

So that's what I suggest. And if you want to have some material, like your postcard, or business card sticker, whatever, you're welcome to bring it. So I can put, set up one table that all the guests, they can pick it. So that's all like the marketing materials. And Giovanna, I want to let you know too, like once the submission is closed and you finalized what work you want to include in the show, you know, send me the final, at least for the NFTs, you know, I can post that list of links on the exhibition page. Sure. So people can, you know, people who can't be there physically, you know, can still see what works in the show. Yeah, sure. For the video you can, or like a still image.

Carmen Moses

It's easy that you have like a two hour, just send it to me. Yeah. Please don't send me the whole folders because I, yeah, just two, that's two, that's good enough. Something you can pick yourself to include it. Yeah, for me, I think it's as easy that, because I go, I'm going to put everything into like a video, like a loop. So people, they can just rotate and they see all the work, include take places in 2021, this exhibition that I'm going to take some screen recording.

Carmen Moses

So for the physical painting or print, that will be a lot more challenge. So I'm going to start with the main question. I'll say well I like to include as many as possible before the deadline if you just sign up that's the first thing to do just sign up today alright oh we have a question from Tintin for the Brooklyn show how are you planning on showing the videos for can you say that again sorry for the Brooklyn show how are you planning on showing the video I have a projector and the hotel they also they going to provide one screen like a TV screen hand on it can be like a stand or hand on the wall I also I just brought one digital canvas so!

Carmen Moses

I have a couple two friends they going to be like a volunteer help me to set up so feel free if you have okay let me put my phone number here again just call me it's easier because things yeah it's just like a last minute show but I still feel excited because one of my biggest interests is also curation that I like to pull all the art artists together build our community and I got this hotel just like and the other great thing is because I didn't fund they fund me because I met I met the hotel manager in NFT NYC and she just say do you want to do some art event and I said oh wow wow that's good so I don't really just ask people do some sponsored space so I don't really just ask people do some sponsored space that I got this one because they found me.

Carmen Moses

Very cool. And like if anyone there or you or someone else who's there wants to set it up, just set up a laptop and throw Zoom on, we could always run it as a hybrid event too. People could pop in who aren't like, like I'm not unfortunately not gonna be able to get down to the metro area, you know, but like people could come in. And this Zoom link is basically like a 24 hour, you know, 24 hour room. Like it's a live Zoom link all the time. So like, you know, it could be linked up and say a collector's like, oh, I wanna meet this artist, blah, blah, blah. Like people could be there at that time, you know, in a sort of synchronized way. That's always a possibility.

Carmen Moses

So, you know. Yeah, and also because it is a really good hotel that, you know, the outside is a lot of graffiti and the art scene is really good. We have a question from Lee, which I guess you could probably provide a list at some point or maybe contact him directly, but he was wanting to know what all tools that you use to create the art that you do.

Carmen Moses

Yeah, can you see my presentation? Oh yeah, actually, I already prepare. Let me, I upload a lot of videos on YouTube. So... Yeah, if there's any video links Giovanni, you could paste them directly into the chat too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Better, yes. Okay. Also like to... I had to run out briefly. I... I was informed by my wife that I already prepared.

Carmen Moses

Yeah, so all these are usable link for today. All right. And I do apologize that we've actually gone over time by a couple of minutes at this point. And I know I wanna be trying to be respectful of people's schedules. So actually, if you don't mind, I'm going to... Are you done sharing your screen, Giovanna? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, I just want to stop. Yeah, okay. Okay, all right. Thank you.

Carmen Moses

That being said, thank you everyone for your attendance here today. It was a pleasure having you. I hope you have a good holiday if you celebrate or if you don't, hope you have a good weekend that's coming up because we're not gonna see each other until two weeks from now. And thank you so much for all the information that has been shared today. There's been a lot of information probably to sift through. So please do hit up the YouTube link or YouTube video after it's been posted and to cover any things you might have missed. There were quite a few links that were dropped in the chat. So before the meeting closes out, please do go ahead. And either go to those links and bookmark them or save them or wherever. I can also provide the whole transcript for the chat if need be, if you'd like to.

Carmen Moses

You can reach out to me, email, my Instagram, Facebook, Discord, wherever. I'm kind of all over the place. So there's that too. And I don't think I have anything else left to say other than again, thank you. Thank you so much for being here. Yes, thank you, Davo. Thanks for your service as always. Awesome job. And thank you to C and Brett and Giovanna. Really great presentations today. So, and thanks for everyone who attended. Yeah, fantastic. Thank you. Great session. All right. And with that, we will be signing out. So closing out in five, four, three, two, one. And that's a wrap.