--- type: salon number: 109 title: "Open Mic: August 2026" date_recorded: 2026-08-06 date_published: 2026-08-07 video_id: w8IHfgE2veI url: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI" duration_seconds: 5965 moderator: Colin Goldberg speakers: - name: Visheh country: Iran/Cyprus start: 66 - name: Adrienne Wortzel country: Astoria, NY USA start: 536 - name: Void-Sign country: Singapore start: 947 - name: Beau Tardy country: Houston, TX USA start: 1435 - name: Stephen Paré country: Houston, TX USA start: 1903 - name: Tommy Mintz country: NYC, NY USA start: 2321 - name: Roz Dimon country: Shelter Island, NY USA start: 2831 transcript_source: zoom-transcript languages: ["en"] --- ## Colin Goldberg [00:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3s) Hello, everyone. My name is Colin Goldberg, and I'm a Techspressionist. Today is Thursday, August 6th, 2026, and I'm zooming in from North Bennington, Vermont. We're here today for SALON number 109, which is an open mic format, so… A bunch of artists showed up ahead of time, and we put together a lineup of artists that are gonna be sharing. We have 7 artists, some of whom are brand new, that I haven't seen here before, and some of whom are more regular, regularly attending members of the community. So, it should be a really good session. And without further ado, I'm going to introduce our first artist. Visheh. So, each artist, if you could, before, you start sharing your work, just introduce yourself, let us know, where you're zooming in from, and give us a little bit of a preface about the work that you're going to share. So, Visheh, take it away. ## Visheh [01:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=67s) Okay, hello, everyone. Thank you for having me here. I'm Visheh, I'm from Iran, and I'm a multidisciplinary artist. My focus is on video performance. Oh, I forgot to tell you that currently I'm living in Cyprus. And I started my art journey 16 years ago with traditional Persian paintings, miniature paintings, but during the time, because of the reallocations of my life, I had to change my medium. And, I started with video art in 2014. And, the video art and performance… video performance actually comes together, because for some of my video art, I needed someone to act something, and, it was me that I had to act, so… I continued to work my videos and sharing on Instagram, and little by little, I found a community and one performance project, international performance projects, and during the COVID. And, yes, I'm continuing, and I want to share my background with my portfolio, if it's possible. I can… speak better about it. ## Colin Goldberg [02:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=159s) So, each artist, let me just, really quickly, each artist will have 6 minutes to share your… at about 5 minutes, and when there's 1 minute remaining, I'll give a little warning, like, you have 1 minute left for each artist, so you'll know it's getting time to wrap it up. So, so, go ahead. ## Visheh [02:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=178s) Okay. Okay, I'm sharing my, portfolio, Yes, my focus is actually on the invisible violence on our body, and what it comes from, the basic of the creation, of… as humans, and also the invisible violence that is coming from the outside world, which can be political, or… social and, you know, other reasons that… That, violate our living. Started with, Persian painting in 2010. It, led to two different projects that I'm still working, but not too much. Met designers and, What Is Love? Then I had… Exhibitions of interactive installations between 2020 and 2012 and 2015. Then transition to video, video art. And music videos, which were selected in several, festivals. Then, experimentation of, short films. They had also some success. You know, I cannot show these artworks because they are more than 8 minutes, but I can share you the links if you want to check out. And this endlessly performing art, during the COVID, I had collaborations with 30 artists from different kinds of the world, and we made video performance for one year every day. But, after 2022, when I started my Vectory journey, I… I preferred more short performances, because I think in this, in contemporary time, people cannot you cannot take the people for long performances, and I tried, to use different softwares I was working. For example, for these artworks, I used 3DMax, my body movements. And so, after that, coding, because my background in higher school is mathematics and physics, and coding always was one of the things that I always liked. And then… After 2023, Between Body Code, and AI, I had another video arts. And… but,. Now I want to present, you know, because I was working with different kinds of softwares, from 3D Max, ADUS, After Effects. After finishing the Google courses, I decided, to create my own, application and my own tool. So, I'm stopping here to show you what I create as application. Okay. Traceverse is the name of the application that I created. This is interactive, application, and it has lots of options. I'm also adding different options to it. For example. I can… You can see the…. You can see my, screen share. Yup, and also, it has different options, like hoods, it can be inside your body, outside your body, and, you know, it is the continuum of my… background with performance art, video art, coding. I'm trying to include all of them in this application. I can import music here, also. Also, I can import, for example, some video as background, and this is my self-view. It can be more obvious, or no… no self-view. You know, I'm adding options to this,. Application that I created, So… Yes. This is what I have, and thank you for your time. ## Colin Goldberg [08:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=484s) Awesome. Thanks so much. If you could, please put a link to your website in the chat, and also a link to your application, so, people can. ## Visheh [08:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=497s) Fair enough. ## Colin Goldberg [08:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=497s) Access it. ## Visheh [08:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=499s) Okay, this application, actually, now it's password protected for my I'll use it, but I have another version for test. It doesn't have these options. I have… it has less options. It is for public. I'm sharing, you can use it, and playing with it, and enjoy. That's one insects. Thank you, thank you so much. ## Colin Goldberg [08:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=526s) Excellent. Thank you so much. Really cool. ## Visheh [08:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=530s) Thank you. ## Colin Goldberg [08:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=531s) Alright, so, our next presenter is Adrianne Wortzel. ## Adrienne Wortzel [08:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=537s) Okay, sharing screen…. No, you don't have to do that at all. Thank you. Okay, so today I'm sharing a project that's actually just come… been assembled, I would say, called Primordial Morphologies, and it's an expedition report of an archaeological team, numbered 2004-Zurich-01. My name is Adrianne Wortzel, and I… one of the genres I work in is robotics and theater. And these are… this is the project. These are, what you're looking at is a recent project called Primordial Morphologies. It consists of Cretaceous, Triassic, and Dimonian creatures discovered in situ and captured on video in their natural environments, and encapsulated in very old vessels,. Wait, oh, I'm doing it wrong. Yeah. Oops, these are the vessels… oops, the vessel, right? In truth. In truth, They are robots. Thanks. And the environment where they were born was the Artificial intelligence lab in the Department of Informatics and the University of Zurich, where I had an artist's residency in 2004. And these… the videos contained in the vessels, were made in 2004 by myself and Daniel Bisik, a researcher there. And the wonderful thing about that lab was researchers worked from the bottom up, reproducing the morphology and nature that was dearest to their heart. So, Cretaceous, Colorado consisted of the which slide is it? Cretaceous, Colorado consisted of fish for the study of oscillation. Oscillation. For Triassic Tasmania, it was a robot mouse with real cat whiskers. You will see these… oh yeah, you do see these. The fish were made of, balsa wood. Every… in the lab, the materials ranged from balsa wood rubber bands and balloons to very sophisticated parts. So, for… I'll repeat myself. For Cretaceous, Colorado, it was fish for the study of oscillation for Triassic, Tasmania. It was a robot mouse that had real cat whiskers. For the study of haptics, they were… programming it so that the whiskers could actually discern textures. And for Defoni and Durness, it was quadrupeds for studying four-limb locomotion. Okay, so…. Here is… here's… as you can see, here is the vessel with, a… it is a still of the video in… with the video, that happens to be the fish visible. And the container are actually… I thought that… it took me a long time to find out what they were, but they were actually bed warmers, which I picked up in, Thrift shops and antique stores. So, here's… let's go. Yeah, here's the documentation of the… all of the vessels in action. This is… The Amos. Of the Southwest. Whiskers. Didn't… I hope you can hear the narration. The narration, oddly enough, the 17th chapter of Voyage of the Beagle fit these creatures perfectly, so the whole narration is actually Lifted from Chapter 17 of The Voyage of the Beagle, and the narrator… the narrator happened to be an evolutionary biologist, I found, teaching at Harvard, who grew up in Darwin's neighborhood. So, and went to Darwin's high school, so he was about as close as possible as you could ever get to hearing Darwin speak, which of course is… Ridiculous, but I thought it was fantastic. In my work, and through this project, I enjoy devising speculative fictions that look back on contemporary culture from an imagined future or past, fusing archaeology, anthropology, and cartography to celebrate the cycles of invention. I'm fascinated by the cycle, which, you know, starts with the need, then there's the new, then it evolves into ubiquity, only to become obsolete and be replaced by another new. ## Colin Goldberg [14:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=874s) One minute. ## Adrienne Wortzel [14:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=876s) Well, actually, I am done. ## Colin Goldberg [14:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=879s) Okay, well, you still have a minute if you'd like to share anything, but if, if you're all set, then if you could just paste, your website address into the chat, so that way people can bookmark it and, ## Adrienne Wortzel [14:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=893s) Yeah. ## Colin Goldberg [14:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=894s) And be able to access it later. Also, once the, yeah, thank you so much, thanks for sharing that. That was, really interesting, and especially the part about, the recording of this person who's connected to Darwin. That's… that's pretty unbelievable. Once the salon recording is posted, it'll have a list of all the artists, who are presenting today, as well as links to their, websites and social media. So you guys, you know, who are watching on YouTube, some… at some point in the future from now, we'll be able to access all that stuff, since you won't have the chat. Alright, so, moving on, we have, Giuliano. So if you'd like to share and just introduce yourself, let us know where you're zooming in from, take it away. ## Void-Sign [15:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=946s) I'm… I'm zooming in from Singapore, let me find the share button, here it is. So, the whole screen, the sound as well, okay. Let's go! So, let's start with… you see my screen right, let's… start with this here, my YouTube channel. So, I'm a teacher from Singapore. I've teached and taught for 3 years here in the university, National University of Singapore as a teacher. I did also a lot of private teaching, so I'm a trained teacher from Germany, I've lived for 40 years in Germany, basically. Also was very interested in theater and stuff like this. So, 3 months ago, because I started, really, when I'm… didn't work for the university anymore, like, around… Beginning of the year. I worked a lot with ChatGPT, prompted a lot, you know, gained a lot of knowledge about how to interact with AI. And, out of this came different kind of things, but mainly what I now did is visible for everybody, a YouTube channel called Void Sign Signals from the Void, yeah? So I grew this channel with a little bit of ad support to now roughly over 60,000 subscribers. I work like crazy, I did, like, 180 videos already, like… it's like a machine, you know? So I work like a machine there, you know? So what I do is… if you see on YouTube, there are a lot of AI-generated videos, right? Like, full AI videos from Runway or whatever, you know? I hate that. So, I hate AI videos, right? Because I have no arts direction with it. What I do is shorts, right? So, shorts are basically here, also could be AI videos, but so these are all AI videos, right? But what I do with the AI is, before I play something, is I let the images, melt with my voice and distortions. So, this is like a live process. This is also something I came up with, ChatGPT and stuff, and Gemini and stuff like this, you know. So how can I express the human voice, or the human… how can I express myself through AI art, right? So, because I… my goal is to go on a stage and sing this, you know? Because I like singing a lot, and I have already worked in theater before, for very short, in 2013. But I didn't follow it because I choose a safe career as a teacher. I want to actually really bring this on the stage. So, my thought was this, you know? After I spent months with ChatGPT. So, I thought about, what do artists do? Of course, artists already, musicians, they go on stage, have behind them a big projection screen where they put on movies to support their singing, to support the art, right? That's nothing new, right? People do that all over again. But I created these shorts with my singing from scratch. So they melt with my voice. This means when I later go on stage and display this, everybody can see and later judge for themselves what I've created here. So, what I do differently is really… the thing is not just the background noise or some moving pictures, but I created the background together with my singing, so they melt together, right? So the distortions… I don't create any animation or moving pictures, it's just… still pictures with distortion and my voice. To show you maybe a good example for it is Heaven is Hell. There is a clip. I generate all the… my, subscriptions with. It has now 1 million views already. This is humanity's… I clicked on it, he's not playing the correct clip. Let's have in his head. As long as he plays. Your body can't watch the opinion. So. So I do this. With CapCut, yeah? Tonight. I met you! When I'm. Visational. When I'm on stage, everybody can watch their clip, this clip later for themselves. I'm on YouTube, I mean, I'm publicly available. So, I… I will be on… on… on stage, and I will sing. This clip as it's played in the background. Later, it will also be available on the smartphone, so people can join on their phone, right? I mean, I'm sick of what is going on in the world, you know, Lady Gaga and so all put their smartphones there, you know, and then they film the artisan. Lady Gaga, I need a picture of her, yeah, my god, I mean, what the hell, man? You could transport the artwork through the phones and let the people enjoy the artwork and imagery. ## Colin Goldberg [21:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1288s) One minute. ## Void-Sign [21:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1289s) With the artist, you know, and enjoy the artwork as a whole, not the person, you know? That's my goal with this project, and this… if it's successful, if people like this when I go on stage, I don't know, you know? But I want to not focus on the people themselves, or me as an artist themselves, but on the performance, you know. And I think it's something for theater, you know. I need to try it first, you know, I don't know how it will turn out to be, but I will do the singing live myself, you know, and try to melt with the artwork, and if it's… Good enough on stage, we can do it on smartphones, we can do it in theater. That's basically what I try to do, because I use this as an expression for my emotional state, you know. Because it's just something I think would revolutionize how, like, especially big concerts are done, right? We have already on stage a lot of technology, you know? A lot of stuff on stage for whatever kind of money, you know? ## Colin Goldberg [22:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1357s) Okay, we are at… we are at time, Giuliana. ## Void-Sign [22:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1360s) Yeah, yeah, it could be used more intelligently, like, to really put the art out there to the audience, you know? Yeah, never mind, it's okay. Thank you. ## Colin Goldberg [22:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1370s) Thank you, thank you. ## Void-Sign [22:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1371s) Yeah, yeah. ## Colin Goldberg [22:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1372s) Thanks so much. ## Void-Sign [22:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1373s) Stop the screen now here, okay? Stop sharing, you're good. ## Colin Goldberg [22:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1378s) Excellent! Okay, so yeah, if you'd like to, put a link in the chat, maybe to your YouTube channel, that'd be great, and then everybody who's in here, could check your material out at their leisure. ## Void-Sign [23:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1390s) Okay. ## Colin Goldberg [23:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1391s) But thanks for that. Yeah, I think it's interesting how diverse, you know, the artists are in this group. I think that's what makes it really interesting is, you know, there's so many different approaches and ideas and different nationalities and everything, so that's what kind of keeps it fresh. So, thanks so much. And, and welcome. I know, I had just added you to the index, maybe a couple weeks ago, so… all right, so the next artist up is Beau. So, Beau, if you want to just introduce yourself for the people who don't know you, I know you were here before, and tell us where you're zooming in from, and give us a little bit of a brief intro on what you're going to share, that'd be great. ## Beau Tardy [23:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1435s) Absolutely. Thank you so much, Colin. Thank you, everyone. Appreciate it. So, I, hope this mic is better. I was having trouble with my mic setup in past, streams. So, I want to… share a brief presentation of my work. I've been doing digital art since the 80s. I started, in school, art school, and then made my career doing digital art, mostly for television networks. And, while I was doing… Commercial art, obviously. My motivation from the start was to… use technology as an artist, not simply as a designer or a commercial artist. And so whenever I got the time, to work on my own personal work. I would, you know, stay after work, or stay late, or, you know, because the, the… technology back then was very expensive, very hard to get your hands on as an artist, and so that was always my struggle, was to find time, to find access. And obviously, it's a very different world today. Everybody can have access to the tools, so it's opened up a whole new door to creatives. So, I just want to show, in this brief presentation, a little bit of, just do a little bit of an intro of sort of that journey, but, also wanted to show 10 pieces of new work that I've done using, Photoshop, basically. And, the reason it's, interesting is because I think I approached this project using Photoshop truly, as an artist, with the same motivation I had when I first started doing digital art. Where I had this fascination and this wonder for the technology, and I wanted to use it and, explore it as an artist, and not sort of so much as a commercial artist. And so I was trying to recreate that with Photoshop. With my own… equipment, obviously, and it was sort of trying to put myself in the mindset of how I felt when I was much younger, and I was doing work on these very expensive computers. But to do it now on Photoshop. And to have the freedom to explore. So anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and play this, presentation video. And, I'm going to need to share my screen. I'm gonna go ahead, turn on the audio, and hopefully this works. So, just a little background information first. This is what digital art was like back when I started. We have asked our, resident Amiga artist, Jack Hager, to sit in with him. Are you ready to paint me? Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm here tonight to help assist, Andy do his first computer portrait using the Amiga computer. First off, Andy is going to paint take a digital snapshot of Debbie, which is running on this system, and you can see the image up there on that screen. And we just select the image, and it comes down. You found it to be, very spontaneous, hadn't you? Yeah, it's great. It's such a great thing. What more can you say? There's a lot of things. Oh, that looks very good. So now we'll do the hair. So we'll go up to color, and pick yellow. Andy is selecting from the menu bar, which gives you all the features of the, paint system, and he's selecting fill. And this is a slow version of the fill, just so you can see how Andy decides to work. Now, this is an instance of a leaky flood film. Well, this is kind of pretty. I think I'll keep it. Okay. It's beautiful. Well, with that piece being finished, Andy, I've been asked to give you an interview, forgive the pun. What computers have you worked on before? Oh, I've worked on anything. I've waited for this one. Really? Andy Warhol didn't do his first digital art until 1985, but I actually started 2 years before in 1983. By 1987, I was working professionally as a digital artist for TV networks. And this was the gear that we used. It was Photoshop before Photoshop. This is a Quantel workstation, and in the 80s and 90s, it was the machine behind TV graphics. And the price was completely outrageous even back. ## Colin Goldberg [28:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1739s) For a one-minute buff. ## Beau Tardy [29:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1740s) Systems cost over $250,000. That's about a million dollars in today's money. I would take time off my professional assignments to do my own digital art using the equipment. Purely as an artist, and to go back and recapture the original excitement and wonder I had of making art on a computer. So anyway, I just wanted to show some of my Photoshop work. I,. I hope you were able to see some of it. You can see more of it on my website. It was an interesting project. Project, because… I, mostly use Photoshop, obviously, for commercial work as well, for client work, but this way, I was really able to, explore it kind of with a… almost a naive approach, you know, and just… and a free-form approach. And, really… Grasp it as an artistic tool, which I thought was really cool. So, I, it was a challenge that I set myself. I ended up doing… for 100 days, doing 100 pieces. And, I came up with some pretty cool stuff, I thought, at the end, so… Yeah, anyway, that's it. Thank you so much for letting me show. I appreciate it. ## Colin Goldberg [31:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1863s) Alright. Awesome. Thanks, Beau. Thanks for, coming back and sharing what you're working on now. Really cool to see, and cool to see that video of Andy. My first machine was the Commodore as well, but I couldn't afford an Amiga, so I had a 6B4. But I remember the first time I saw an Amiga, and I was like. 2,048 colors, that's… mind-blowing, so that definitely, got me, you know, excited about, working with computers as an artist, so thanks for that. Alright, so next up is Stephen Paré. Steven, take it away. And why don't you let us know where you're zooming in from, and quickly what you're going to share with us. ## Stephen Paré [31:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=1909s) Yes, I'm Stephen Paré in Houston, Texas. I'm going to share, some recent pictures I've made that, use, texts. Most of which are written by me, I've got a couple of appropriated ones in there. Sure sound, okay. There is no such thing. As mistaken happiness. Her nervous system, it turned out, had some unusual features. Once a year, on the night of the last full moon. The priests wheeled out the little god from his darkened keeping place, and all the people laid flowers in front of him and sang their touching little devotional songs. And pushed their children forward to receive his blessing. Graffiti is a serious crime, and will be punished to the full extent of the law. Up to and including imprisonment. As police chief, I have sworn to put an end to this scourge, and there is no worse offender than the anonymous coward who calls himself no, my daddy. Nama Daddy, daddy, that's my name. Now my daddy, and it's all my gate. Hello. I, too, am a cat. In no hurry, he walked down the steps of the Ducal Palace, as if he belonged there, as if his business there were a matter of a petition or legal dispute. But the reality was that he had just made a miraculous escape from that notorious prison under the leads. Without looking back, he walked out to the Piazzetti. Turned left, smelling the ocean air, and stepped into a waiting gondola. Only then did he look back. And only for a moment. There was no commotion, and no one was running after him. He settled into the cushions, but as the boat made its way into the canal and toward the mainland, he stood up and looked back. His home. Which likely he would never see again. There are things buried, perhaps right underneath our feet, that we have no knowledge of. Wonderful and mysterious things, not to mention valuable. A thing certain, and yet, we give no thought to it. I know what you were thinking. That I'm talking about something symbolic, that when I urge you to dig and not stop digging, I am actually talking about a sort of spiritual mine. But no. I'm talking about all those things that misers and divorced bankers and refugees and that Legion of humanity that didn't trust the banks, and the aftermath of avalanches and earthquakes and wildfires. What if you lived your life as one long gesture? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe stop, maybe go. Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe stop, maybe go. I went back to the graveyard. But this time… at night. For you live like seabirds, with your homes dispersed across the surface of the water. The solidity of the earth on which they rest is secured only by one year and wattle. Yet you do not hesitate to oppose so frail a bulwark to the wildness of the sea. Among you, there is no difference between rich and poor. Your food is the same, your houses are all alike. Envy, which rules the rest of the world, is unknown to you. The enteric brain is a massive, semi-autonomous neural network in the gut. Containing up to 500 million neurons. Lining the gastrointestinal tract, it produces about 90% of the body's serotonin. All blue electric ball, that's the color Rough my roof. Where I was…. Blue, blue. ## Colin Goldberg [38:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2292s) Alright. Are very different. Thanks for sharing that, Steven. Awesome. Okay. Never. Narrative reminded me a little bit of, Jim Morrison, he did a bunch of these poetry recordings that were kind of… Without a whole lot of music behind them. So… Enjoyed that. Alright, next up we have, Tommy Mintz. So, Tommy, you wanna take it away? ## Tommy Mintz [38:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2325s) Yes, thank you, Colin. Hold on, I'm just trying to set a timer so I don't… Run over here. But all of a sudden. ## Colin Goldberg [38:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2333s) Okay, your audio is a little bit low, I don't know if you're far from your mic. ## Tommy Mintz [38:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2337s) My mic's in my ear. Let me stick a second mic in here and tell me if this helps at all. How about… ## Colin Goldberg [39:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2345s) Still pretty low. ## Tommy Mintz [39:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2348s) I'm gonna turn off… my… How about this? Last try. How about now? ## Colin Goldberg [39:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2360s) I mean, sort of better, but if you pretend you're on the subway and just talk really loud. ## Tommy Mintz [39:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2366s) Last try, I'm yelling at my computer, I took out my Bluetooth… ## Colin Goldberg [39:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2369s) My friend was reliving. ## Tommy Mintz [39:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2371s) So I know we're going here. Hi, I'm Tommy Mintz. I'm an Artist, and, I work mostly with, photography. And, have been incorporating painting and drawing, into my practice recently. And I'm just going to, show you some pictures, and describe my practice a little bit, and then, you know, we'll see where this goes. This is stuff that I've been working on recently, so here's, stuff from the summer. This is a sequence of photographs that I took at a track event of runners, and what I do is I compare two pictures against each other for what's different, and what's different gets laid on top, which actually is very interesting when you notice, sections of the picture where it's sort of a silhouette of somebody who is no… is not there in the second picture, if you will, in the… Comparison sequence. So, The track or background get laid in on top of the people sort of creating this wonderful, silhouette effect. So that's something that I feel like is very painterly and, feels like a drawing to me in a lot of ways. Something I've been doing, so I am… Hi. I'm, coming in from, the city, so nice, they named it twice, New York, New York, and, here, people, have a real consciousness of cameras now on the street. Everybody has a phone, you know, we're really conscious of people pointing their phones, and I carry a big, Canon 5DS, and stand in a location for maybe 20 to 30 minutes, taking picture after picture for my image sequences. So if I'm in the, Stands at a sporting event, it's no big deal, everybody's hanging out taking pictures. On the street, people look askance at this point, and so… I started, just for subterfuge, drawing a little bit as I'm photographing, and people really notice the drawing. And not the photograph, the camera, sorry, in my hand as well. And smile at me instead of scowl. And it becomes a very different, energy that's brought to the, place that I'm, you know, observing. And actually, some of the places that I, observe, I return to multiple times and draw and paint multiple times. So here's a location. The Highline Park is a famous tourist location now in New York, where there's a sculpture that rotates once a year. Right now, there's a sculpture of a Buddha. Replication of a Buddha? That was, demolished in Afghanistan with these golden hands floating in front of it. I spend a lot of time staring at and drawing and painting as well. So here's a painting in process of that same Buddha. Here you can see my palette in the foreground. ## Colin Goldberg [42:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2544s) Tommy, are you supposed… you're not sharing your screen, you have not been sharing your screen this whole time, I don't know if… you were intending to. ## Tommy Mintz [42:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2553s) I am so sorry. That button is… Completely unpushed, isn't it? I thought I was sharing. That's embarrassing. ## Colin Goldberg [42:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2574s) It's okay. We're enjoying the dialogue, I just want to make sure that we're seeing what you want us to see here. ## Tommy Mintz [43:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2580s) Not at all. I'm gonna go quickly through these slides now. I'm sorry. ## Colin Goldberg [43:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2584s) We're still not seeing any… oh, there we go, okay. ## Tommy Mintz [43:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2587s) About that, everybody. ## Colin Goldberg [43:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2589s) No worries. ## Tommy Mintz [43:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2590s) Through the slides. So here we… is this going now? I'm losing it again. Here we go, here we go. So here's some track photographs where I compared, people against one another, getting this silhouette effect that I might have described without, actually showing it. Here's this Buddha on the High Line that I described without actually showing, and I love that you could picture it in your mind first. Maybe you saw it on Instagram already, I posted this recently. So here's my drawing in the foreground, and you can see people through it because I'm layering photographs taken later on top of the photograph, maybe, that I have the drawing in front of my lens for. And here, in the upper left-hand corner, you can see the Buddha's hands, maybe multiple shots, some are blurry. Out of focus, intentionally, I changed my camera's focus, and moved around a little bit, and creating a sense of motion. Here it's, in the foreground, you can see my painter's palette, and I know I have 30 seconds left here, so I'm gonna go really fast. ## Colin Goldberg [44:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2645s) You've got a minute and 30, so… ## Tommy Mintz [44:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2646s) 10.30, okay, thank you. So, here's details of the photograph. It's very high-resolution photographs that I'm taking with a Canon 5DS, and I'm going in different places where I'm finding people, you know, who don't mind me. Drawing. And these moments of my drawings interacting with the photographs and the gestures of people, and these edges that are formed, and the lines of the drawings reflecting the shape, sort of, in ways that are unexpected to me, and these interactions that occur between people and the drawings. Or paintings. And these moments of time that I'm finding, actually, later, within the collages that I'm not seeing when I'm drawing, maybe because I'm looking down at my drawing. So here's who I'm thinking about right now, to finish up. Recently, I saw the Marcel Duchamp show at MoMA, and that was, like. Hugely mind-blowing. I recommend looking at his work, and Nina Sobell, are you on, Nina? Various artists recently had this beautiful video where she looked at a video of somebody, and a video of clay that she was sculpting, and tried to sculpt the… person that she was looking at by looking at the video of her clay laid over the, person. Anyway, so that's the end of my… Boy. Glitchy presentation, like ever. Boy, is that a… is that a Techspressionism classic, right? So we're… We glitched thank you for your patience, and I appreciate you, listening. ## Colin Goldberg [45:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2739s) Awesome. Thanks so much, Tommy. And, no worries, you know? I think it was a good lead-in to seeing your work. I don't know if you had mentioned it in your presentation, but one thing that I think is really unique about Tommy's work is, these photo collages aren't created Manually in Photoshop, he actually writes Python code that processes the images, which I think is really… an interesting and very unique, methodology. So, Yeah, and I believe Tommy also publishes his code on GitHub, so that's also very cool and generous. ## Tommy Mintz [46:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2779s) Thank you, Colin. I was thinking I was trying to describe all of that when my microphone wasn't working. I appreciate it. Absolutely. ## Colin Goldberg [46:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2784s) Absolutely, very cool. So, yeah, you'll, be able to see some of Tommy's stuff, you know, on his, website and Instagram, but Tommy, if you want to paste that into the chat for the people that are here now that haven't seen your work, please do so. And then, you know, again, on the SALON, page, once it's posted, which hopefully should be today, if I get my schedule right, then, you'll have links to everybody, and, and also thanks for… Heads up about the Duchamp show, I'm actually taking the Amtrak down to the city tomorrow. So, that's on my list. Alright, awesome. So, next, and last but not least, is Roz. ## Roz Dimon [47:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2832s) Hi, everybody. I'm coming to you from the booming metropolis of Shelter Island. It's about 90 miles to the east of New York City, and I'm just gonna get into this and share my screen. I, too, saw the Duchamp show, and it truly opened my eyes. I mean, the guy could paint his socks off, you could see from the very beginning, and that was really interesting. Thank you, Tommy, that was a great presentation. I've enjoyed all the presentations. Okay, let me just go into this share sound. Life is so, you know, humbling, so I relate to Tommy, you know, even if you've done technology for years. Things can happen, so it's good to keep, humbling and keep your humor. Okay, so let me see, I think, yes, I've got this. Can everybody see my screen? It's my website. ## Colin Goldberg [48:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2880s) Yep. ## Roz Dimon [48:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=2881s) Okay, and you'll probably see the side of my face, because I'm… I've got two monitors here, but, just quickly to introduce to people, I've been in digital art since the early 80s, completely by accident. When I drove my Volkswagen from Georgia to New York City, and all of my paintings began to fill with pixels, you can go to my website and see a little bit more about it, and I'm also on Instagram as Resolution and Facebook, Resolution. Anyway, I'm going to talk a little about this, piece that I'm doing for the ice and eclipse, but quickly, I come from kind of a very kind of classical background, and that's just part of me. I'm shown here with these two Lincolns, and also more Lincolns at the, Presidential Library Museum. My work has a, I would say it has a political tone, but my intent is always to bring people together, and more and more, I'm just scrolling through my website, a lot of shows with Techspressionism, it's been so exciting to be part of this group. And you can look at all this work later, and I realize I better hurry along here. I've been invited to be a participant at the Ice on the Cliffs, which, coming after Lincoln is… the drawings, is just kind of a switcheroo, but I relate to Gerald Richter a lot, like, you know, use your… Talents, wherever they take you. I'm also an inner spiritual minister, studying… I mean, my theology is just a lot… a big part of me. So, this piece, instead of doing, some kind of interactive diamondscape about Iceland. I went into the interior, and I'm making this piece, and I invite all of you to be part of it. I'm gonna play a few minutes of it. I've given out an. I've been called to people to submit praises. I kind of was relating to Steven, Hooray, you know. Because… I mean, images… I'm so propped with this that words are starting to kind of… matter a lot. Lots of work. Very different kind of pieces. And it's my spiritual. But what happens is the piece, I'm just going to go through it. This is, an intensely kind of coded DiamondScape, but I'm using my coding here that I work with on my team in a different way. You can go in and out and see these things build, and you can go to the information button, and you can submit your quote. I'm going to Iceland next week, and everything's in here. People submit quotes of their own, or from others, you know, famous artists, whoever, poets. Profits, and I also thank contributors whose… who submit quotes, and… but they are not the authors of the quotes. So there's a real mix going on here. I invite all of you to submit a quote. You can do it here, and I'll post this in the chat. Would love to hear from you. So, we're all building, this piece that kind of goes from blightness to dark. Eventually, this piece is going to go totally black, and even when it does, I want to keep the piece up. I'm working so that no matter… I want it to keep up even after the eclipse, and… it might be completely black and then go back to the brightness, but the relationship between darkness and light in our lives and joy and suffering is just really, I mean, to me, it's kind of the nexus of it all. Along with a little bit of humor sometimes, but, you know, the suffering and the joy and how we navigate what it means to be alive is… is what this piece is all about, and also inspiration and hope. The Iceland Eclipse, there's Countdown, there's gonna be all sorts of crazy wild bands, I'm probably gonna be one of the grandmas, kind of… James and I are, like, a good bit older than a lot of the young people going to this, and we're gonna be staying in a, in a… very glamorous yurt, you know, glammy, glampy. And, I was joking around with my husband, who's been very supportive of my work, and a real partner all the way, but we're kind of… I mean, I'm in my early 70s, and you know, I said, isn't it wonderful, James, the kind of benefits you can have, you know, when you, when you're married to an artist? Free glamping, it's gonna be freezing, but it's gonna be fascinating. So, thanks for listening, I think I'm just going to stop sharing, kept this one short. Love to see all of you on Instagram and elsewhere. And thank you, Colin, always. Expressionism has really been an exciting chapter. ## Colin Goldberg [52:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3156s) All right. Awesome, Ross. Thank you so much. And definitely, you know, is there a link on your website also to that form for people who aren't able to access the chat? ## Roz Dimon [52:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3168s) Yeah, yeah, at rozdimon.com, there's a link. Yep. ## Colin Goldberg [52:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3172s) Okay, great. So, yeah, because, you know, I think a large part of the audience is actually, in the future, watching this on YouTube, at some point from now. So, it's kind of an interesting component of our salons, is that, you know, the audience at large is in the future, much in line with Techspressionism, I think. ## Roz Dimon [53:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3194s) I love that. And you know, the salons, I mean, to me, they should be in a message, up in outer space as to what's going on, you know, all over the world right now. I mean, that's what you've made happen here. We collectively are making it happen, but it's pretty fascinating. If you haven't looked at the salons, go back and check them out. They're terrific. ## Colin Goldberg [53:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3214s) Yeah, it's really hard to believe this is number 109. It's wild, you know, 109 of these sessions, and initially we started out I think it was every week, and then that became a little bit burdensome, and then we switched to every other week, and then I think it was you, Roz, that suggested doing a once-a-month schedule. So thank you for that. It's definitely made it a lot easier on me. But, you know, it's very, exciting and gratifying to see new artists coming in, and also. A community that is really, you know, formulating as a core group that, you know, I think represents Techspressionism. You know, and we have a show, in LA. I'm not sure… is that still up, or did that just close? I'm not even sure what… I think they… ## Roz Dimon [54:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3268s) Extended that. I heard they extended it. ## Colin Goldberg [54:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3270s) Okay, so, at LACTA, Los Angeles Center for Digital Art, there's an exhibition there, and, Techspressionists and work. ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [54:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3280s) It's actually down, it's not extended. But there will be a good website coming very soon. ## Colin Goldberg [54:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3288s) Yes, absolutely, and we have a… A catalog that I received in the mail recently from the Artist Organizers, beautiful catalog, that has, you know, all of the documentation of the work, so thanks so much for that. Cynthia, I know you spearheaded the catalog, and, also, you know, to the curatorial team. That… that was involved in… in putting the show together, so… so, just for the remainder of the salon, I'd like to open it up and, have some discourse, and I'm thinking about maybe a little bit of a different format than in the past for the, the discourse and Q&A. I'd like to first ask the presenters if they have any questions for the other artists who are presenting, so it'll become a little bit of a conversation versus, you know, just everybody throwing in the mix, because I think, you know, now that we've seen a little bit of each one of your work, if you have any questions for any of the other artists, I think that could be a pretty interesting way to structure the content. So, any of you guys, artists, presenters from today have any questions for any of the other artists? ## Beau Tardy [56:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3368s) Yeah, I just have a comment for Steve, and I'm so jealous your stuff was great. I love that. I love that presentation. Great way to put it all up together and… and, have the, The little quotes and the music. Perfect. That was actually perfect. ## Colin Goldberg [56:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3387s) Alright. Yeah, I really enjoyed that it's fall. Go ahead, Roz. ## Roz Dimon [56:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3392s) Yeah, Visheh, if you're still here, I thought that was fascinating, what you've really… just keep reaching out and going further and further, and I know it was a short presentation, but I love that there's an elegance and beauty to all of it. I wrote you on Instagram, meanwhile, just to connect. But, even in your app, there was such a beauty to that. That app, and I guess, in my heart, I'm still very much about drawing and painting and visuals, usually, and even in a piece, it's all words, but so I just wanted to say I appreciate that, and have you had people using the app? Is it out there, or are you just using it, or what? ## Visheh [57:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3430s) Thank you so much, thank you for checking out my artworks. This version that I showed you, this is currently password protected for my personal usage, but I shared another Sample, the test version, you can use it, I shared the link. If you didn't see, I can share it again. You can… ## Roz Dimon [57:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3458s) I heard you say that, and I just didn't… I didn't quite grasp when you were saying the password protected. I didn't realize that was about your app. ## Visheh [57:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3465s) You know, there are two versions of the app. One version is for public, you can use it. This version is, currently, for my personal usage, I want to create a collection with it, but maybe after that. I, give access to other artists, but you can use this, public version and play with it. ## Roz Dimon [58:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3491s) Thanks. I also want to… ## Colin Goldberg [58:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3492s) Paste that, link in once again, just for the people who missed it, that'd be great. I definitely would like to bookmark it as well. Sorry, Roz, go ahead. ## Roz Dimon [58:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3502s) Oh, I just… well, I also wanted to say I really enjoyed, it's nice to see Adrianne here. I enjoyed her presentation very much, and the inventiveness of it, and it just seems to go out in multi-directions. Again, I don't know what… where my question would be, and Steven, who I've known your work, too, for a while, is… it's fun to see people just sprouting their wings and going further, you know? So, I see a lot of… I love how our next show is, is, well, I'm not going to talk about it. Not yet. Getting ahead of myself. But I do see a lot of, new kind of languages coming out here, you know? Not the same old, same old, so thanks to everybody who presented. ## Colin Goldberg [59:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3543s) Absolutely, thank you. And, yeah, it's really interesting, Visheh, to see artists using code. I know Tommy, works with code. I recently met, an artist, in this new space that I'm in. Who, works with code and is a mathematician. I'm creating, you know, started a, setting up a new studio space here in an old mill building in North Bennington, and an artist moved in who, is, working with code, and also happens to be… well, his father is actually from, Uzbekistan, where we recently had an exhibition, which I thought was really serendipitous. And then another member of this kind of commune of artists living in the mill, is next-door neighbors in New York City to Manfred Mohr, who's, you know, an old-school computer art guy, algorithmic artist. So, it's really interesting to see how there's all these kind of connections. And, you know, I think the world of art is working with computers. I mean, it's become very mainstream, I think, in the last, you know, in the time period since this group has been Formulating, or at least more mainstream, or pseudo-mainstream, but, you know, first with NFTs, and now with AI art, and I feel like, mobile apps in general, and I feel like, you know, a lot of people who wouldn't have even considered themselves an artist in the past are able to experiment and play with these tools and create things that they, you know, think are cool and enjoy. So, is there anybody else who is… ## Adrienne Wortzel [01:00:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3650s) Excuse me, I have a question for Tommy. And the question is. How… are you drawing and photographing simultaneously? Are you switching from one to the other? Because I wonder if there are two mindsets, two completely different mindsets, and how you manage to bridge… bridge them. ## Tommy Mintz [01:01:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3674s) Thanks, Adrianne. So, what I do is I hold my camera close to my chest with a strap around my neck. And I do have a timer set for, taking a picture every 25 seconds or something like that. And I set that for 36 photos, but I also touch the shutter myself when I see something about to happen. I also know when the camera's about to release the shutter, because the autofocus starts to kick in, and I hear that, or feel that. And then can sort of maybe twist a little bit and point the camera in a direction as I'm drawing. And then, to answer your second question, I actually feel like drawing and photography are very similar in so far that they are about paying attention. It's just about close observation. And there are significant photographers from history that I admire, like Henri Cartier Bresson, for example, who started as street photographers, most notably were, you know, photojournalists or whatever out on the street, but then ended careers as people who just wanted to draw. We do caricatures and stuff like that. And so I'm… I don't know, midlife crisis, I'm trying to do both at once, or something. But yeah, no, thank you, Adrianne. Both at once. ## Adrienne Wortzel [01:02:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3752s) I'm doing well. Thank you. ## Colin Goldberg [01:02:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3758s) All right, anyone else, of the artists have any questions for any of the other artists? Or… oh! Nice. Very interesting. Cool. Yeah, it's really interesting to see, you know, analog work from some of the artists in the group. What is that saying? ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3782s) It says, Techspressionism 427-2022. ## Colin Goldberg [01:03:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3788s) Oh, so is that pictures of people that were in the salon or something like that? ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3793s) Yeah, and sometimes there's names. ## Colin Goldberg [01:03:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3795s) Nice. ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3796s) Just taking notes on my giant… ## Colin Goldberg [01:03:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3798s) This is during the pandemic. ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3799s) It's an interesting thing to think about how, you know. Analog and digital… our relationship with the analog and digital world really shifted then in… now we're coming into maybe a different balance, and. ## Colin Goldberg [01:03:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3813s) Finding that. ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3814s) As, as a group. ## Colin Goldberg [01:03:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3814s) Digiana. ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3816s) Giiano, right? Absolutely, so it's local art. ## Nina Sobell [01:03:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3820s) I just wanted to say thank you, Tommy, for featuring my work. ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3824s) Oh, Nina! It's a pleasure. It's such a great show, really. I'm still thinking about it all the time. ## Nina Sobell [01:03:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3829s) Huh. ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3830s) Really wonderful. ## Nina Sobell [01:03:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3831s) Oh, thank you. Thank you very, very much. ## Tommy Mintz [01:03:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3835s) And is there documentation online for people that weren't able to go? Do you have a various artist's website or your website with that? The videos and stuff, or… ## Nina Sobell [01:04:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3844s) No, no, but I'll get to it. I'll get to that. Thank you, thank you. ## Colin Goldberg [01:04:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3854s) Awesome. Alright. Anybody else? I mean, is there anybody who was not an artist presenter today who would like to ask a question of any of the artists that presented today? Open it up to… The floor, so to speak. Anyone? ## Lisa Sutton [01:04:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3882s) I'll ask a question. I'm curious about… up. How each of you thinks about the way… changing technology, Has affected what you're doing. Like, as your computer ages, and you… maybe you buy new peripherals, and then… then your cord… your cords change, or whatever, and then you have to throw all that stuff out and get something new, and… and. I'm just curious what your experience has been over time with what you're doing, especially when you're mixing analog and digital. ## Beau Tardy [01:05:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=3923s) I'll pick that one up real quick. I mean, for me, I've been doing digital art for so long, and basically, it's been sort of a tussle with technology. Sometimes I, like, joke that my whole career's been about reading manuals. Learn the new technology every time a new iteration comes out. And, so now, and that's kind of what I was, showing in my work today, was that I try to get more simple, and kind of… in sort of the vein that Tommy was talking about, try to reconnect the analog back to the digital, so it's not just all digital, so the work that I was doing in Photoshop, I was trying to approach it from… almost from an analog perspective. Like, I didn't do any collaging. I didn't do any, layering of pre-existing images, which, you know, typically if I'm doing commercial work or something, you know, there'll be reference or whatever. But, I just wanted to go freehand, and to approach it almost as if I just… had, like, an airbrush, and I was just going to do airbrush work, except I was doing it on Photoshop, you know? And it was really liberating, in a way. So, to me, actually, now at this point. It's almost like going in reverse. I'm trying to simplify. I'm trying to simplify and trying to break down the technology so that the technology serves me, not that I'm serving the technology, which has sort of been… The MO throughout a lot of my career, so now I'm trying to simplify the technology, or to make it as transparent as possible, so that I can just be an artist, you know, and not be, completely preoccupied with the technology as I'm doing it. Anyway, that's sort of… A sketch of an answer, I hope. ## Adrienne Wortzel [01:07:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4044s) I'd like to say something. That my… a lot of my work is about that. It's about that cycle of, technology where it happens over and over again through every civilization that, you know, there's a need, then there's the new, and then there's ubiquity in our… in Western culture, in any case. And, then it descends into obst… being obsolete as, and then there's a new, either a new version of that, or a completely new paradigm. And that fascinates me, because I don't mean it in a doomsday way, like, oh, there's nothing new under the sun. I think it's kind of a celebration of how we just go on and on and on. And, so almost every technology excites me. Now I'm actually working on an AI piece, which I can't even talk about yet, and a podcast, because we are inventing ArtNetWeb, which was an organization that existed in the 90s. And the participants have reunited after 30 years, and are dealing with new, you know, completely new technologies. So, it… it's just a matter of Loving the idea of the new technologies, but we all at the same time know that we go through the same processes every time it happens. We think it's going to kill us, we think there's going to be nanotechnology goo. You know, and there are all these processes that happen every single time for every invention, and that really fascinates me. So I welcome the changes. ## Roz Dimon [01:09:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4161s) I want to just tag on there, just hearing about ArtNetWeb, that just… oh, wow, that's really kind of fun. It's great, going back to the old days. I wanted to say, in the very early days, at least for me. You know, I never intended to use technology at all, and my paintings filled with squares and electricity in New York, I mean, and in Atlanta before I left, over a period of, like, you know, 8 years or something. I called them information paintings, and I was painting stories of information in my oil paintings, and what was so exciting to me was to put that brush down, and People said, Russ, you're not even painting, you know, I can draw and paint, and I… it's like to shop, it's not if you can, it's exploring new things as well, and responding to the world you're in. And when something like that happens, and it completely just… made a huge dive in my career, like, down, you know? I mean, like, you know, if you think that people won't look at computer art now, I mean, in the 80s and 90s, like, get out of that, we're not even gonna open the gallery doors, you know? So, I went into corporate art, it was real exciting at the World Trade Center, but these pieces. The first things I ever did, I wanted to make those pixels with the machine that I… that my heart was responding to. And, I can barely operate a toaster, I've said that and shared that in this group. That kind of discovery, though, and being in something where you're right in the newness of it, is what made it so exciting. And now, I'm still involved, and things have evolved, and digital, you know, but the inventiveness of it now, for me, as I've gotten older now, I'm telling the stories about this, and… really, AI, no matter what you feel about it, is the nascent new baby, you know? Baby god, or goddess, or whatever she is. Terrible, wonderful. I think that is the new thing, but for those of us who, in the past, it's great, it's like, I think it was… who said it? Oh, Faulkner. He said, just because it's the past, doesn't mean it's past. The past matters, and to make it alive and tell this story, which is certainly happening here at Techspressionism, is such an important chapter for those of us who've been in it and continue, I mean, to be in it, but I have to tell you, I just ordered these teeny little canvas squares, 50 of them. And I'm getting my oil paints out, and it's gonna be really different painting with an oil at this point. But I still can't get there, because I'm too involved with all this stuff. Anyway, I hope that gives a little perspective to people, from those of us who've… a lot of the people here have been, like, really in the vanguard since the, you know, Colin and… Nina and Cynthia, and I mean, just so many of us, and I'm sure in other countries too, but in the U.S, just so many people were part of it, and, you know, people who spoke today, like Beau, who… we didn't all know each other, but it was… it was just exciting, because it was happening. Thanks. ## Lisa Sutton [01:12:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4327s) I was wondering, also, As you get… More… working with other people, cooperative work, and, collaborative work, as you get, exhibitions or,. Installations, things like that. As you start showing these things on a larger scale, how has the technology evolved for you? Has it given you, like, a kick in the pants, like, oh, okay, now I gotta get a new computer because I've got a you know, project this on a building or something, you know? So, I'm curious about the… the… how technology has pushed into what you're doing. Because you're showing it in larger areas. ## Roz Dimon [01:12:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4376s) Yeah, you have to get something new almost every, every, you know, I don't know, 5 years. It's almost like it's, it's like Adrianne's thing was so great, because, you know, at a point, you just get tired of it, and I can understand, I think it was Beau or someone who said, you know, they're trying to just do something simple, so they can be an artist again. Tech will get to a point where Hey, you know, it gets difficult, but yeah, you need more powerful things. Still very exciting, but it's… it's, it's… I don't know, I would say it's, it's, it's… sometimes I don't want things to be changing every single second, and they really are. ## Lee Musgrave [01:13:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4410s) No, ## Roz Dimon [01:13:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4411s) With it. ## Lee Musgrave [01:13:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4412s) Of weeks ago, I was at the Seattle Art Festival. And they were having a presentation by two local artists. Who use technology and coding to make their presentations. And they made the comment that they didn't know what to call this artwork. Well, my hand went up immediately. And I said, well, it has a name, it's called Techspressionism. I was instantly handed a microphone and invited to talk about Techspressionism. And I did. I filled them all in. The two artists agreed that it was a great term for what they do. But the eye-opener for me was there is something called, and I'm going to try to pronounce it correctly. Tech. Presso. Have any of you heard of Techpresso? Let me remind you that Seattle is the home base for Microsoft. TEspresso is the name of their new newsletter. That you can sign up for. Comes out every morning. And it's about all the great things that you can do with their new AI program. As it relates to artwork. Now, TES, TECHS Espresso… I think it's a play on espresso coffee. TEspresso. And Techspressionism. Suddenly got married at the Seattle Art Festival. And by the way, I think, I might be wrong about this, but I think this was the first time in any art festival that Techspressionism has been exhibited. I showed several of my pieces there, and the gallery agreed that it should be called by what it is, so they used the term Techspressionism. And that generated some interest from the public as they walked around. They heard the term, they wanted to hear more about the term. That might be the first time that's ever happened at an Artist Hall. I'm not certain. ## Colin Goldberg [01:15:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4556s) Awesome. Very cool. Well, maybe we could submit a press release to get featured in Techspresso. ## Lee Musgrave [01:16:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4562s) Yeah. ## Colin Goldberg [01:16:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4563s) That's, that's really interesting. ## Lee Musgrave [01:16:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4568s) Yeah, I got the first one a couple of days ago, it was emailed to me. ## Colin Goldberg [01:16:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4573s) Yeah, just, click that link there. Read by professionals at OpenAI, Anthropic, et al. Interesting. Yeah, so we're, still got a little bit of time here, you know, the idea… I mean, to me, AI is really the hot topic, you know, and I don't think it's gonna go away anytime soon, but, you know, like. You know, on a regular basis now, I get these little moments of excitement that I really haven't felt in a long time with technology, where I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe it can do that. You know, like, I was laying out a, you know, kind of like a contact sheet of all of my artwork images, you know, like, from… From as soon as, you know, from years ago, like, 600 pieces, and they're all in a giant folder. I have this naming convention set up, and I said, you know, can you… I was working with ChatGPT, and I said, you know, can you go in and set up A spreadsheet based on this naming convention, break it down, like, the dimensions were all in the names, and the series were all in the names, and it did it. And then I asked if you could set up a contact sheet in InDesign using that, and I told it exactly how I wanted it, and it wrote a JavaScript that generated The contact sheet. It's an InDesign script. It wrote an InDesign script in JavaScript. I mean, and… and then I put in little… I asked it to put in little check boxes so I could print it out and check the ones that were no good, that I didn't want to be included, the ones that were lost, the ones that were sold. And if I could scan that in my document feeder, and it would read the hand little made X's and update the CSV file, and it said it could do it. So that's my homework. I mean, it's really mind-boggling, honestly, what's possible, you know, and a super time saver. I mean, I never would be able to do this manually, so… I mean, not fine art related, except on a tangent kind of way, but I mean… ## Lee Musgrave [01:18:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4708s) Let me add one more thing. ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [01:18:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4709s) Work. ## Lee Musgrave [01:18:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4710s) Well, I'd like to add one more thing from the fair real quick. That couple I was talking about were offering the, program for their artwork for sale. The cheapest one was $130,000. Think about that. This is a program that they wrote, that if you buy it and put it in your computer, it'll show you. What it looked like, which looked like a flock of birds flying around in the air. And it was funny, because just at 2 or 3 booths down the aisle from them, there were some artists who were showing videos of birds flying through here in groups, but $130,000 just to buy the program, so you could show it on your computer. Hmm. ## Colin Goldberg [01:19:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4765s) Think about the NFT market a couple years ago, right? I mean… ## Lee Musgrave [01:19:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4769s) Yep. ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [01:19:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4769s) It sounds like they don't want to sell it. I wanted to mention that, off of what Colin said, first of all, thank you, Lee. I mean, put this in the chat. Bringing up to Expressionism at an art fair, it really sounds like a wonderful dialogue. So, we did the LA catalog. Actually, Maria, one of our artists, used AI to populate the pages, and then we went in and tweaked them, to make sure that People had relative realis… visual real estate. But the key, for those of us who aren't super techy from the start, was to use a Google Form, and you can make your own Google Form for anything you want to, and then Google Forms, there's an option to Export it to what it's Sheets. It says View in Sheets. So, what you can get is a spreadsheet with columns, and that will make all of the AI really easy from there. So, it's on my great to-do list in the sky to experiment with that myself, and thank you, Colin, for that inspiration. ## Colin Goldberg [01:20:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4834s) I think the mundane tasks that AI can solve is where it really shines, for me, you know? I mean, there's a lot of whiz-bang stuff with image generation, video generation and stuff, but when I see it could actually do something that saves me hours and hours of work, that actually frees me up to make art, which I'm very happy about, so… ## Roz Dimon [01:20:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4858s) You know, another interesting thing about AI is that, you know, I love the process of creation. So also, I use it just as kind of needed. I mean, I'm fascinated by it, but I'm also… when it says, would you like me, it always wants to do one more thing, because, you know, it always wants to get the last word, if you notice, always. But I… I go, no, I don't want you to do anything more. I wanna… I wanna… I submit things that I've already thought about before I go to AI. And they just can refine it, but we're gonna lose our humanity if… if… if we aren't… I think that's where artists can make a big difference, because, you know. When you do a drawing, or a painting, or it's you. I mean, every piece is unique, you know? So, it's fascinating, but at the same time, if you really love the creative process, it is. It's the process as well. And I like to have that, even though it's arduous, I enjoy that process. I always tease my AI at the end, because they always want the last word. They put two AIs together, and they just kept going on and on, because they always have to have the last word. And so I said, well, I'm going to get the last word, and I said, actually, I just, I say things like, oh, I just sneezed, or, you know, I just touched my nose, and then they go, yep, you win today. So… ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [01:22:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4934s) So don't forget your erasing tool. I've used AI to do video, and then layer up videos and erase the, angels and things that… don't fit my aesthetic. ## Roz Dimon [01:22:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4947s) There you go. ## Lee Musgrave [01:22:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=4949s) I know you guys have heard this from me before, but I always like to remind people of this. I started this in 1962. When somebody showed me a machine that had a darkroom in it, had a… A way to develop an image of text. And the back of this little thing on a tabletop. I immediately opened the back of it up as soon as the boss left the building to figure out what I could do with it in terms of making artwork. Now, at the same time, in the other end of the building were the old typesetting guys who were using hot liquid and lead to cast lettering, to make printing, and they laughed at me. They said, oh, that stuff will fall apart on you, you'll be out of the building, blah, blah, blah, and they were gone within 30 days. They and their old machines were gone. Okay. Now, I stayed with that company, and within less than 10 years, the next version of this machine that I was playing with came in. It was a huge thing. It had to be in its own room, with its own air conditioning, because it overheated. But it basically works still the same way. It had a way of developing text. On a piece of paper and presenting it to you. That's all it did. But, being an artist, I found a way to make it do artwork. So what I'm trying to say to you is I think AI is in that moment, right there. Artist are still trying to find how to make artwork and control this sucker. So, it doesn't get out of hand. So it doesn't take over the creative part. 100%. I don't know we'll be able to. I think that's what we're all driving to do. ## Colin Goldberg [01:24:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5071s) I mean, the first time that I actually felt like I could use it in the way that I wanted was when I started feeding in my Handmade pieces, my paintings, and prompting it to do things with that as the starting point for the content, versus trying to give it text prompts and generate something from my imagination, was to literally take my paintings, feed it in, and see what I could make them do. I thought that was very interesting, you know, because then it doesn't feel like AI to me, because it's still my work. Go ahead, Roz. ## Roz Dimon [01:25:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5107s) Yeah, that was pretty fascinating, that idea too, Colin. I messed around with that, but I just didn't go down that path, but it was… you're still kind of controlling it, because you feed in an image, then they give you back 50 images of that, and you have to pick one you think is maybe good. I think it was Midjourney, I can't remember what I was working with. It was fascinating, you know, and you're still kind of in control. It's like your studio assistants, a different kind, a version, you know, of an atelier. Cynthia, you said something about erasing, and I… I… can you just say that again? Erasing angels? What were you saying? ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [01:25:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5138s) Well, I've… I've always used what I call creative erasing in my work. I think it's the best feature in every paint program, and people don't realize that you can layer up in Photoshop, and you can also layer up in After Effects. And so, for the video that I actually have in the LA show, that was, based on the piece I had in Every Woman Biennial, I… I did that. I… I layered up… different versions of it, using… I used Kling to generate, the video. And then I also did some pass-throughs, and then when there were things that just didn't make sense, I erased them in After Effects the same way you can erase in Photoshop over time. So… and the same thing in Photoshop. So, I always start with my own images. I've never started, the text prompts are just there, supplemental, and the negative text prompts are super important. For me, that's my experience, and we talked about this a bit in co-working. If people are aware, by the way, we have virtual co-working every Tuesday, same time as the salons, but on Tuesdays, and it's a different link. You can find the link on the website. So a lot of us are talking about how we're using AI. There. Nope. ## Colin Goldberg [01:27:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5222s) Awesome. Yeah. Well, we're getting kind of towards the time limit here, but thank you for bringing up co-working. If it's, you know, another facet of the Techspressionism community, and a very close-knit group that meets regularly, people get to know each other. So if you go to Techspressionism.com and you scroll down a little bit, there's some information and a link, I believe, to register. We do also have a few, salons coming up. I also wanted to sort of tease, the next salon really quick before we close. So… we recently started doing a little bit of a collab with, this, other community called Loop Art Critique, and so, if you go to Techspressionism.com. There's a new item on the menu loop, and if you click that, it gives you a little bit of information about Loop. It was founded by an artist named Ariel Barron Robbins, and she's been, a guest in the salons before, and basically it's a virtual environment. They recently, established a partnership with the ICA in Miami. Where they have a physical computer there that serves as a portal but basically, it's a virtual environment. We did have a project which was a VR space called Siberiana that Tommy Mintz, spearheaded, but this is what Loop looks like. You can access it now through the Techspressionism website off the main menu, Loop, and that's also going to be the topic of The next SALON in September is, I believe, Ariel, hopefully Ariel, and I know cha, who's an artist that I met while I was down in Miami, are gonna be involved. And, you know, some of the artists in the Techspressionism community also spent time in the various programs that Loop offered. To create works in this virtual environment. So I think it'll be something, initially that we could use if people want to just say, hey, like, do you want to meet in loop? They'll be able to do that, and go in there and have an avatar, interact, and also share 3D models, GLB files, so people who work in that sort of way, like, almost like a sculptural way, can also share and kind of do crits and stuff like that. But I think, you know, it's very open-ended. We could put shows together, and I think they're very, you know, the folks at Loop are very excited about, you know, kind of coming up with cool ways to, Collaborate, so… so yeah, that's gonna be, happening, and I know that there's a couple other salons in the works. There was, the show in LA, there was, a component, where it was artists collaborating, DAC, digital art collaborations, I think, which is associated with SIGGRAPH, and I believe, The October salon is going to be based around that kind of collaborative, you know, kind of project. And we also have another one down the pike, on perception that an artist named Nate Schneider is going to be moderating, so it's really cool that we're actually booking out into the future and getting salons, you know, lined up. I think also the co-working group is interested in putting a salon together to introduce themselves and share their work, so… I encourage, you know, anybody that would like to be involved on that level, who has an idea, or a group of artists that you want to bring in, and kind of, like. You know, organize, an online event like this. You know, that's, really, I think something that'll keep this whole thing moving, and also further decentralize it, which is, you know, a personal goal of mine as far as the project goes, so… Yeah, that's about it. I want to thank… ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [01:31:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5478s) Before we sign off, I just want to thank you. What a lot of us have been saying is that through Techspressionism, I think you've breathed new life into our careers. You have motivated so many of us to take off and go in new directions, and I think it's really important to note that. So… thank you. ## Nina Sobell [01:31:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5498s) Yep, that's. ## Colin Goldberg [01:31:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5499s) That feels really good to hear. Thank you, Cynthia. ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [01:31:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5504s) That's… ## Colin Goldberg [01:31:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5504s) I appreciate that. ## Cynthia Beth Rubin [01:31:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5505s) Hey, really. More people have been talking? Yes. ## Colin Goldberg [01:31:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5509s) It's great to see so many new faces, and, you know, there is an artist that some of you guys might remember, Davo, aka Davonte Bradley, who is here. He was really our first moderator, who, you know. Was just really the man moderating these salons in the beginning. He was the person who said, hey, why don't we record these? Before the 8th salon, we were just meeting, and there was no recording. He said, hey, why don't we establish a YouTube channel? And so we did that. And unfortunately, or maybe fortunately for him, he got a day job. So he hasn't been here, too, too often, but, you know, when he, first said to me, and I think it was, over maybe an Instagram DM or something, that he found his tribe here. That was something that really, resonated with me, and I was like, wow, you know, this is an important thing to be doing that, you know, other people like me who felt, closed out by the gallery system and the traditional art world because I work with technology. Could sort of find community here and bind together. Is something that's very powerful, and, you know, I keep trying, you know, finding myself trying to… you know, approach these gatekeepers, and there's galleries that sort of specialize in this stuff, and then I start feeling like, you know what, like… there's, you know, something to be said for just being indie and just, you know, a grassroots thing. I don't know, it's a different kind of structure, so I appreciate that, Cynthia, and, you know, I appreciate all you guys, for keeping this moving. You know, a lot of these initiatives, the LA show and co-working. They're all things that I had no hand in, and, you know, that's where it starts to feel really like this thing can just… Perpetuate itself, you know. Sure, indefinitely, really. Like, you know, I think the idea is that it just becomes a term. That was my initial one of my initial goals with this was for Techspressionism to, you know, become, you know, to be brought into common usage as a term of our historical nomenclature. And that's still a goal of mine, is that it becomes an extension of The Expressionist traditions, you know, starting with figurative Expressionism, people like, you know, Munch, Du Blauer Ryder, de Bruca, and then moving into American Abstract Expressionism, through to Neo-Epressionism. People like Basquiat, Herring, so forth. And then Techspressionism, which is, you know. A term. And hopefully we'll not have merch or… 501c3s, or any of those other things that prevent it from becoming a word in the dictionary. So, that's the end of my spiel. ## Lee Musgrave [01:34:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5693s) One of the conversations I was involved in was with some gallery people. And they told me they really appreciate the term to Techspressionism because it doesn't identify what you're saying. In other words. You don't see gallies using the term oil painting or acrylic painting. Meaning the galleries don't really like the term digital art. Or computer art. It's just art that happens to use a computer. Just like painting that happens to be an oil painting, or it's a watercolor painting. It's painting. You understand what I'm saying? They don't like the term computer art. They don't like the term digital art. All those things they associate with commercial enterprises, advertising, material. Not fine art. They like the term Techspressionism because it makes them feel like you're talking about fine art. ## Colin Goldberg [01:36:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5761s) That's true. That's absolutely true. That was, you know, a differentiator. Anne Spalter wrote some of the language on the… The website, and one of the things included in her essay, and if you guys don't know about her work, she started the digital art programs at RISD and Brown University, also has a very, well-seen digital art collection, her and her husband. It's called, Spalter Digital. I believe it's the… The largest, private collection of early digital art, that exists. And, one of the things that is included in an essay that is on our website now is that it, digital art A differentiator from digital art is that it's, created by… Techspressionist art is created by individuals, whereas digital art extends to work created by Pixar, Electronic Arts. Large studios. I know as a graduate student, studying computer art, the undergraduate program was called Digital Art, and very few of those students had any interest in hanging work on a wall or showing it in a personal expressive context, they wanted jobs, nothing wrong with that, but they wanted to go and work at Pixar or EA and all these other places. So, I think that, you know, it's something different, and, Yeah, very… it's… it's definitely inspiring to me to see what everyone in here is… is doing. You know, working with code, working with all sorts of different things that, not part of my wheelhouse, but very interesting to see. So, anyway, this is definitely going past time, but, we will also have our traditional… oh, go ahead, Nina. ## Nina Sobell [01:37:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5872s) I just wanted to say, I wrote in that, the wrong, the wrong URL. It's www.variousartistsrecords.com, and there is information about my show there. A lot of information about my show. Images and text. And thank you, Tommy, again, and thank you, Colin. And I wrote in the, variousartistrecords.com, in the text, in the chat. Thanks, everybody. ## Colin Goldberg [01:38:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5904s) Awesome. Thanks, Nina. Is your show still up in New York City? ## Nina Sobell [01:38:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5908s) No, it's not. ## Colin Goldberg [01:38:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5909s) Oh, shoot. Alrighty, well, we'll check out the documentation. But, alright, and then after the recording ends, which will be, momentarily, we will have our traditional after-party, which is our, sort of advisory board meeting, aka the after-party, where people can basically hang out, shoot the shit, come up with other ideas that, you know, the group can be involved in, and all that good stuff. So people are welcome to stick around, and… participate in that, or not. Anyway, thanks again, everyone, and we'll see you, again here in a month. So, you're gonna stop recording. ## Dimitrije Martinovic [01:39:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5959s) Thank you. ## Colin Goldberg [01:39:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IHfgE2veI&t=5960s) Re… Thank you. One, thank you, and cut.